Ep 74: Should Schools Ban ChatGPT?


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AI has seeped into our lives, transforming industries, revolutionizing processes, and challenging the status quo. In recent years, the integration of AI in educational settings has become a topic of fierce debate. As business owners and decision-makers, we have a pivotal role to play in shaping the future of education. Today, we will explore the potential of AI in schools and universities, specifically focusing on the controversial use of ChatGPT and other large language models.

The Power of AI in Learning:

AI, in the form of sophisticated language models like ChatGPT, presents a unique opportunity to enhance the way we learn and acquire knowledge. By providing students with access to an immense pool of information and resources, AI-based tools empower them to dig deeper into subjects, explore diverse perspectives, and develop critical thinking skills. Through interactive conversations and intelligent analysis, AI platforms can revolutionize research, analysis, and problem-solving capabilities.

Addressing Misconceptions:

While the use of AI in education may raise concerns about academic integrity, it is crucial to address misconceptions and base our decisions on accurate information. Contrary to popular belief, properly employing AI tools in the classroom can be a powerful complement to traditional learning methods, rather than a replacement. However, it is essential to educate students on ethical AI usage and responsible information gathering, ensuring they are utilizing AI models as a supporting tool rather than relying solely on them.

The Role of Educators:

As advocates for effective pedagogy, educators hold the key to ensuring the responsible use of AI in educational institutions. By incorporating AI literacy into the curriculum, they can equip students with the necessary skills to leverage these technologies effectively. Educators themselves must have a comprehensive understanding of how large language models like ChatGPT work to guide their students' learning experiences better.

Challenges and Ethical Considerations:

Like any transformative technology, AI is not without its challenges. While concerns surrounding AI ethics, privacy, and potential misuse persist, it is crucial to approach these dilemmas as opportunities for regulated growth. By collaborating with AI developers and industry experts, educational institutions can establish guidelines that emphasize responsible and secure AI usage. Additionally, investing in AI detection mechanisms that evolve alongside emerging technologies can help mitigate potential ethical breaches.

Future-Readiness and Business Impact:

As business owners and decision makers, it is our responsibility to prepare the next generation for a rapidly evolving job landscape. By embracing AI in education, we can empower students to adapt to the advancements and demands of the future workforce seamlessly. AI literacy forms an invaluable skillset that nurtures critical thinking, problem-solving, and creativity - qualities that will be highly sought-after in the years to come


The integration of AI in education has the potential to usher in a new era of learning, fostering curiosity, analytical thinking, and innovation within the student community. As decision makers in our respective fields, we have the power to shape this transformation positively. By embracing AI tools like ChatGPT, while being cognizant of ethical considerations, we can equip the next generation with the skills they need to thrive in a world increasingly intertwined with AI technologies. Together, we can build a future where education and AI coexist to unlock limitless possibilities.

Topics Covered

- Importance of properly using ChatGPT as a learning tool
   - Majority of students using ChatGPT for writing papers
   - Need for students to learn effective use of ChatGPT

- Tips for educators to combat student misuse of AI in the classroom
   - Former guest provides advice to educators

- Rebuttal against banning ChatGPT in schools and universities
   - Lack of understanding by educational institutions
   - Success story of a Harvard student using ChatGPT

- Limitations of AI content detectors
   - Ineffectiveness in detecting ChatGPT use in papers
   - Closure of OpenAI's AI detection program

- Concerns about AI impact on elections and criminal activities
   - OpenAI CEO's concerns on personalization and high-quality generated media
   - Criminals creating ChatGPT clones for scams and phishing
   - Study on people's inability to differentiate between deep fake voices and real voices

- Encouragement for schools and universities to embrace AI technologies
   - AI models can better prepare students for future careers
   - Importance of developing skills in high demand

Podcast Transcript

Jordan Wilson [00:00:17]:

Should schools be banning ChatGPT and other AI systems, or should they just be letting students use them and run wild. Well, that's one of the things that we're gonna be talking about today on everyday AI. This is your daily live stream podcast and free daily newsletter, helping everyday people like you and me. not just understand what's going on with AI, but how we can all actually use it to our advantage Like students. I know students are using chatgbt, but before we get into that, As a reminder, if you're joining us live, let me know what you think. Should colleges and universities and schools be banning these AI systems? Let me know. Sometimes we feature some of our favorite comments in our, daily newsletter.

And as a reminder, if you're joining us on the podcast, check-in the show notes, and actually checking the comments here of the live stream. We have a couple other podcasts that are, are talking about other aspects of this, but Before we dive into this and we talk about it, let's first talk about what's going on in the world of AI news. Okay?

Daily AI news

Alright. So the OpenAI CEO has shared his concerns about AI influencing elections, and he has a lot of concerns. So, Sam Altman, he is the open AI CEO. So, you know, the company that, has given us ChatGPT. So his, kind of tweet that he shared or I think it's called X now. So his X that he shared Does anyone know what we called tweets now? Anyways, what Sam Altman said on the the platform formally known as Twitter. He said, I am nervous about the impact that AI is going to have on future elections. At least until everyone gets used to it and he's talking about personalization, one on one persuasion, combining that with high quality generated media is going to be a powerful force. Alright. Status a quote from Sam Altman. So a lot to unpack there, but we're gonna save that for another episode. Let's go on to our next, kind of news piece for today. So, criminals. Yeah. Criminals. They've been they've created their own chess GPT clones. we've talked about this in the newsletter a couple of times, but There are some kind of dark web, large language models popping up and starting to kind of gain some popper popularity. So why a new wired report looks at some of these, underground large language models. some of the more I guess popular ones are worm, GBT, and fraud, GBT. so why would cyber criminals want to use large language models. Well, it takes the guardrails off completely. So, you know, tools that we use like chat, GPT, and barred, and you know, cloud from anthropic. They all have guardrails built in. So, not only do these kind of dark web, large language models, like worm GPT and fraud GPT not have guardrails, but they are explicitly being used, for scamming and fishing purposes. So If you wanna know more about that, make sure to check out the newsletter. our third piece of news, deep fake speech is getting almost too good. So, a new university college London study showed that more than a quarter of people could not identify if a voice was a deep fake AI clone or if it was real. Alright? So These these these deep fake cloned voices aren't anything new. They've been around for a long time, but some some recent updates have made it almost in indistinguishable to know if a voice is AI or if it's real. I'll let you guys know I am I am real. I'm joining joining you live. So thank you all for joining me live. so as a reminder, please Give me your quest give me your thoughts or questions on this topic of today. Now that we get back to it, should colleges ban ChatGPT and other AIs. so as a reminder, before we dive into that, make sure to go to your everyday ai.com. If you wanna know more on those stories that we just shared about, we're gonna have a lot more in our free daily newsletter. Alright. Well, good morning, and thank you for joining us. Val, thank you for joining us. you know, One of the things that I love about the live stream is having, great working professionals out there who are who are like me trying to keep up with ChatGPT and to learn everything. So, always like to shout them out, when they join us, Nancy saying to ban or not to ban, what would Shakespeare say? I'm not sure, but ChatGPT is actually great at writing, Shakespeare. 

Schools shouldn't ban ChatGPT 

So Let's get into it. Let's get into it. And, again, as you have questions, please let me know. But should colleges ban ChatGPT? You know, sometimes, guys, I I draw this out, and I make you guys wait a long time. to get to the end of it. But I'm gonna start at the end. Alright? And we're gonna work our way backwards. And I'm gonna say, No. ChatGPT or schools should absolutely not ban ChatGPT. Here's why. That would be like saying that we're gonna ban the internet, right, which would be, an asinine thing for a a college or university to do. I don't think people fully understand or realize large language models yet. Right? and what they can be used for.

ChatGPT can be a valuable learning tool, but underutilized

One of the best use cases, I think, it's not actually writing. Right? We think, oh, like, ChatGPT can can write all of this information. I think large language models are actually one of their best and most underutilized use cases is researching and analysis. Right? So Let me let me also just put this out here too because it's related. I'd say very few universities colleges, high schools understand large language models. Right? They just think, oh, you know, we'll we'll put some rules in place or maybe we'll ignore it, and it'll go away. It won't. But if you aren't even sure what a large language model is, Let me just quickly share that. Right? And I know for some of you guys, this might be, like, very repetitive and redundant. You're like, alright. I use this every day, but I think it's important we set the stage. So a large language model put very simply is essentially a collection of everything that's ever existed on the internet. Right? So the most, some of the more powerful large language models, we would say our ChatGPT 4, which is, they haven't said exactly, but it's a rumor to be about one point eight 1,000,000,000,000 parameters. So, so think of that 1,800,000,000,000 data points. Right? 

So when we talk about banning ChatGPT and a lot of, you know, colleges, universities, professors might be saying, oh, Students are gonna use it to write. What about the researching side? Right? That's that that's one of the things I love most about ChatGPT is being able to cut down on the amount of time it takes to research something. Right? If you're trying to learn a new, a new subject, a new topic, whether it's for school or whether it's for work, A lot of times, you have to go down a Google rabbit hole, and you end up reading 10,

AI [00:08:25]:

12, 15, 20 different web pages.

Jordan Wilson [00:08:28]:

Right? If you can properly use a large language model like chat, it is a learning superpower. The ability, if you know how to use a large language model, to accurately get the information that you want and to help you to understand something I think right now is one of the most underutilized parts of a large language model. Alright. So I know I know we have a lot of, comments here, and I wanna get to them. So Kevin is saying shameless plug. I will be do I will be doing a lunch and learn on what, LLM is this coming Wednesday. Yeah, Kevin. Feel free to drop that in the comments. Fabian saying since the creation of Wikipedia students have taken the easy path to do plagiarism. Absolutely. Absolutely. Alright.

So now that you have my hot take, let's let's unravel this a little bit because I say colleges and universities abs absolutely should not ban ChatGPT mainly because they don't know what a large language model is or how students are using it. Let's put this out out there as well. I'd say the overwhelming majority of students, yes, they are using ChatGPT to write their papers. Alright? Sorry if if you're a university professor or something right now and you think your students aren't, they a 100% are. They're not doing the greatest job at it because also a lot of students don't know how to use a large language model, but they are. period. So if if you think your students aren't, they are 100% are. we actually have some some some some great that I left in the comments here if you're watching the live stream, and we're gonna have it, in the show notes as well. But there's a great, great tip from one of our former Gus, Kelsey Behringer, from, I think that was episode 55. Just on how to properly leverage AI in the classroom. She had a great tip on what professors or teachers can do to kind of combat that. So, make sure to go back and give that a listen. So let's talk about a couple things. I'm gonna share some things on the screen here. but don't worry if you're listening on the podcast. I'm going to walk you through it. Talk you through it. Okay? Couple big questions that we have to talk about because here's why students are going back to school. Right? here in the US, some colleges are actually starting, you know, this Monday or maybe next Monday, but most colleges and universities, high schools are going to be going back to school within a week or so. So a couple questions. Is ChatGPT and other late large language models? Are they even good enough? Right? Absolutely. Absolutely. So we shared about this in a previous, daily newsletter, but The student at Harvard, she was, I think pretty forthright about it. Told her teachers as much. Kind of like a little experiment, but Chachie Preeti wrote all her papers. This Harvard student. So you, you know, you might think, oh, you know, for maybe a high school paper, sure, but not hard hard college, right, or a challenging university that could never work. Absolutely. It did. So a Harvard student used chatgbt for all of her papers, got a 3.3 GPA. Right? Pretty amazing. So the next thing that's important to know It's AI content detectors. Alright? So this has been a new thing because this is kind of like, what, semester 4, I guess, since chatgpt was rolled out in, November of 2022. So this is technically the 4th semester where ChatGPT  has been available for students. So a lot of people think, well, hey. There's content detectors, AI, plagiarism, detectors, and it's gonna show if students are using ChatGPT. Right? And there's a pretty pretty, pretty famous story. that came out a couple months ago where a professor flaunt all his all of his students. after ChatGPT falsely claimed they wrote their papers. Right? So this professor, unfortunately, didn't fully understand how large language models worked and flunked a bunch of, a bunch of their students saying, hey. You use ChatGPT. Here's the thing with content detectors. Right? So there's these new services platforms that are, selling the software to educators, to schools, and universities saying, hey. Your students are using ChatGPT to write their papers, buy our software, use our software, and it's gonna tell you if students are using ChatGPT or not. Here's what here's what people aren't saying. Those detectors don't work. They are. Problem? I'm I'm not I'm not gonna say garbage, but they are pretty much useless. Okay? here's another, another kind of study or, article to look at when it was looking at the effectiveness of these AI detectors. So this this study revealed that they only had an accuracy of detecting AI generated text 28% of the time. Right? 

So what's that mean? That means flipping a quarter would be entirely more accurate at determining, you know, blindly closing your eyes and saying yes or no is is more accurate than these, than these ai detectors, these ai content detectors. Right? They don't work. They don't work. Alright? So let's do a quick recap. Do I think school should ban ChatGPT? Absolutely not. Is ChatGPT good enough to to write papers at a high level. Yes. Have schools and universities try to ban it? Yes. Are they successful in in policing chatgbt usage in large language models? Absolutely not. because these these AI content detectors, you know, OpenAI actually publicly shut theirs down 2 weeks ago because they said it wasn't accurate. Right? So what can colleges, universities do? Right? Yes. Like like Celeste just said here in the comments, OpenAI just con discontinued its AI detection program. yeah, because they said it wasn't a viable technology. So what should colleges and universities do? What do you all think? Try me a comment and let me know. As I unpack this just a little bit more, what do you think they should do? If you're listening on the podcast, again, check the show notes. There's a way to email us, you know, add me on LinkedIn, all those things. And I wanna hear from you, what do you think schools and universities should be doing. I have some thoughts here as we wrap up the show.

Schools should encourage the use of AI

They should be encouraging. The use. of ChatGPT and other large language models and other AI models as well. Right? because we haven't even talked about things like, mid journey for AI art or runway for, AI video. Right? but I think colleges and Universities should be encouraging these things. I think they should be teaching largement language models and other AI systems. They should. Yeah. Some some great comments. Brian just says teach it. Simple as that. Right? I agree. Meibrant saying I think they should combine AI with traditional learning. No reason to ban or ignore it in her personal opinion. If I was a university professor, I would be requiring my students to use ChatGPT or other AI models every single day. to discourage the use of AI in the classroom is like discouraging students to use the internet to learn and find more. Right? Because we also think We want to be preparing students for what it's like in the real world. Right? Once you you know, enter the the the workforce once you get your real job. Because guess what, y'all? In real life, in the workforce, in real jobs, the companies that are moving the most ahead, the companies that are making the biggest splashes, the companies that are the most profitable, For the most part, are those companies that are already using large language models that are already using different AI systems you know, to to research and to create, to ideate, to to analyze their competitors. So If what's working in the workforce is using and adapting to AI Technology in general, Why would we discourage that in the university or in classroom settings? We should be encouraging it because if we're not encouraging it, we are doing students a disservice just to to try to ban it or to try to use these AI content detectors that aren't accurate. Right? We even did our own internal testing a couple months ago. had about a 0 percent, accuracy because it's very easy to get false positives or false false negatives. on these AI content detection systems. But if we're not preparing students for what it's like in the real world, We are doing them a disservice. So our hot take here at everyday AI is this. Students should be using ChatGPT. University should be encouraging it and actually working it into the curriculum. I I agree with with another comment here that Nancy Hall just said. She said fighting against it causes more problems that it solves. Absolutely. Absolutely. Alright. So let me know. Let me know what you think. I hope this was a fun conversation. I hope it was also a little enlightening because I think there's so much I think there's so much gray area when it comes to large language models and AI. in academia.

Need to prepare students for ChatGPT in the workforce

It's it's it's one of those things that I think schools and universities are just trying to hope it goes away or they think it's it's, maybe a fad, right, or they think that, you know, maybe ChatGPT is is a is is a phase. in our in our journey. It's but it's not. Right? large language models are here here to stay. They are the future of the internet. Look at what Microsoft and Google are doing for traditional search. They're phasing traditional search out with a more hybrid search that is like talking to a large language a large language model. It is a skill Right? Prompting is a skill, knowing when and how to use different large language models, It's a skill, and it is a highly sought after skill right now in the workforce. Right? Even just prompting. Right? prompt engineering, right, which is a funny funny job title. But anyways, it's it's one of the fastest growing fields, if you will. is is prompt engineering. Right? So if we are trying to ban or to prohibit learning these, new AI systems, large language models. We are taking away students abilities to get a job in the real world because that's what companies want. That's what I want. Right? Like, if someone was applying for a job, the first thing I would ask them is how are you using AI? Right? And if a student said, oh, well, it was banned. So I didn't use it or, oh, I just, you know, use it to write my papers. Right? We should be teaching students the ins and outs of every important AI platform and system that makes companies go. Alright. Thank you for joining us. I hope that you enjoyed this topic. on if schools should ban check EBT. So, as a reminder, please go to your everyday ai.com. Sign up for our free daily newsletter. We're gonna be recapping, this conversation and a lot of other things that you might have missed. Right? a lot happens even on the weekends. It's it's Monday morning here. So make sure you check out your everyday ai.com. If you're listening on the podcast, We have some great other resources in the show notes, so check those out. And I hope to see you back tomorrow and every day with everyday AI. Thanks.

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