Ep 297: Me, Myself, and AI – How digital avatars will impact our work

AI Avatars and Digital Clones: Innovations and Implications

Artificial intelligence (AI) continues to impress with its constant evolution, with one of its newest offerings being AI avatars, digital clones, and digital twins. The emergence of these technologies raises crucial questions about the future role of AI and their potential societal and business implications.

The Rise of AI Avatars and Digital Twins

The use of AI avatars is swiftly gaining momentum due to their capability to create realistic digital representations of real individuals. Businesses are increasingly utilizing this innovative technology in various fields such as sponsorship and visibility at events. The creation of AI avatars hinges on high quality video production, aiding the creation of realistic AI representation.

Digital Avatars Vs AI Clones Vs Deepfakes

However, it's essential to distinguish between digital avatars, AI clones, and deepfakes. While all three utilize AI to create realistic imitations of people, they differ greatly in their usage intent and ethical considerations. While digital avatars and AI clones are created consensually, often used for beneficial purposes, deepfakes have gained notoriety for their nefarious uses.

Emerging Concerns about AI Use

AI's increasing role in politics, highlighted by recent controversies regarding the use of AI chatbots for campaigning, raises concerns about responsible AI usage. Simultaneously, transparency in AI use is pertinent, with companies encouraged to disclose their use of AI in communication and marketing efforts. Misinformation can be effectively minimized when companies maintain transparency about their AI usage.

Business Applications of AI Avatars

AI avatars can serve as a quick-information tool within companies, providing instant answers to employee or client queries. These avatars can also act as real-time interactive figures within a business, serving functions in fields such as sales communications, marketing content, and training videos. The strategic implementation of these AI tools can significantly economize both time and resources.

Future Directions of AI Avatar Technology

As AI technology continues to advance, it is becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish between AI-generated content and human-created content. Meanwhile, potential applications of this fascinating technology expand, and include abilities such as language translation, avoiding preparation for on-camera appearances and personalizing content for diverse audiences.

Human Interaction & AI

Nevertheless, the importance of human interaction cannot be undermined entirely. It is widely agreed that although AI can mimic human behavior and responses, it inevitably falls short in providing essential human qualities such as empathy and understanding.

With the rise in AI usage comes a pressing need for ethical vigilance. The potential loopholes in AI applications, such as deepfake technology and the sly use of AI in politics, are a matter of serious concern. Nevertheless, when used responsibly, AI has the potential to open up new opportunities, particularly for people who previously lacked resources.


As we continue to navigate the dawn of AI avatars and digital clones, it's critical to balance AI's remarkable benefits with its potential ethical pitfalls. Keeping a keen eye on advancements in AI technology will allow business decision-makers and leaders to leverage these tools responsibly while maintaining an exciting vision for the future.

Topics Covered in This Episode

1. AI Avatars and Digital Twins
2. Hour One and Virtual Human Technology
3. Human Interaction and Limitations of Bots
4. Special Applications of AI Avatars

Podcast Transcript

Jordan Wilson [00:00:15]:
Are you gonna have a digital clone that you can just send places in the future? Is is is face to face meeting in real life gonna become a thing of the past? I don't know. But, you know, one thing I do know that AI and digital twins and AI avatars are exploding on the scene. They are literally everywhere, even on this show yesterday. Alright. So I'm excited to talk about Me, Myself, and AI, how digital avatars will impact our work. So what's going on y'all? My name's Jordan Wilson, the real human version, coming to you with everyday AI. This show is for you. If you're new here, we are a daily livestream podcast and free daily newsletter helping everyday people learn and leverage generative AI to grow their companies and grow their careers.

Jordan Wilson [00:01:02]:
So if that sounds like you, you are in the right place. Make sure if this is your first time, check out our show notes on the podcast or drop a line if you're, in in joining us on the livestream. So before we get into today's topic, make sure, if you haven't already, why the heck haven't you, go to your everydayai.com. Sign up for that free daily newsletter. We'll be recapping as we do every day. Our, you know, audience or or, sorry, our guest for the day and all the takeaways because, you know, I think we're gonna be dropping a lot of knowledge today. So before we get into that, we're gonna start with the AI news as we do every day. So, first piece of AI news, OpenAI is shutting down tools for a political candidate that's just running on an AI platform.

Jordan Wilson [00:01:47]:
So a may mayoral candidate in Wyoming has grabbed headlines this week after he filed for office with the intention of delegating all legislative decisions to a chatbot causing controversy and drawing attention to the role of AI in politics. So, Victor Miller filed paperwork for an AI chatbot named Vik to run for mayor of Cheyenne, Wyoming powered by the OpenAI technology. OpenAI did shut down Miller's access for using ChatGPT to interact with voters, citing a violation of policies against political campaigning. So AI's role in politics obviously raises concerns about responsible use as a technology as it outpaces legal and regulatory frameworks. And, hey, if I'm being honest, I wouldn't have minded that. Maybe we should just give a lot of these political decisions to large language models. Right? People are using them. Right? Alright.

Jordan Wilson [00:02:39]:
Speaking of models, Meta has released a host of new AI models aimed at researchers. So Meadows FAIR Group is, is a publicly publicly releasing several new research artifacts focused on innovation, collaboration, efficiency, and responsibility in the field of AI. So key, models and techniques were just shared, I guess, on their Twitter or x account. So here is, kind of what these new models are and, you know, if you don't know, Meta's FAIR. It is their fundamental AI research arm. So they released Meta Chameleon, which supports mixed model input and text only outputs. They released meta's, multi token prediction for code completion, then metajasko, which is a generative text to music model, and their audio seal, which is an AI watermarking model. So, we'll have more on that in the newsletter.

Jordan Wilson [00:03:34]:
And then our last piece of AI news for the day, NVIDIA has taken over the most valuable company in the US. Oh, weird. I, like, told you guys about this a year ago before it happened. Right? So, NVIDIA's market value has surpassed $3,300,000,000,000 making it the most valuable company in the world by market cap. So this is due to high demand for its AI chips and, obviously, a successful, stock rally here in the US. So, NVIDIA's market value has tripled since 2021, primarily fueled by the demand for its AI processors, its GPU chips. The surge in market value has made NVIDIA the most traded company on Wall Street that has caused it to overtake tech giants like Microsoft and Apple. And I don't think they're done yet.

Jordan Wilson [00:04:22]:
Alright. So there's going to be a lot more AI news, so make sure to sign up. Go to your everydayai.com. But today, we're here to talk about kind of the future of AI digital avatars, of of this kind of digital twin technology. I'm excited for our guests for today. So please help me. Welcome on the show. There we have it.

Jordan Wilson [00:04:44]:
We have Gen Ucai, who is enterprise sales at Hour 1. Gen, thank you so much for joining the Everyday AI Show.

Gen Ukaj [00:04:50]:
Jordan, pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.

Jordan Wilson [00:04:53]:
Oh, man. And I, obviously, I I I kinda tease this, in in in the intro there. We'll get to it later. I actually had my hour one digital clone going, yesterday. But before we dive into that, Ken, can you tell us a little bit about what you do in your role at Hour 1 and a little bit about the company?

Gen Ukaj [00:05:11]:
Yeah. Absolutely. So Hour 1 is a virtual human company. We take real people, and we clone their image so that you can use them in video communications. In a nutshell, we make real fake people, and it's fun. What what do I do for the company? My my role is essentially to meet with businesses and people who are interested in cloning themselves for their own commercial purposes, talking them through the process of what that looks like, and discussing with them, like, sort of, like, the values behind having a digital, I was gonna say living, breathing, but it it lives and breathe, I guess, in the virtual world version of themselves.

Jordan Wilson [00:05:47]:
And and, you know, for for those that maybe aren't aware again, I think it's important first we kind of, you know, define things because I think there's always some confusion, right, when people talk about AI avatars and and digital twins and AI clones and deepfakes. Right? Because it seems like people, you know, can get confused over what's what. You you know? So maybe could you just explain, like, you know, what is a a, you know, digital clone and AI avatar versus, you know, cloning yourself in AI? Just just tell us, you know, like, define those things for us just, before we dive into them a little bit.

Gen Ukaj [00:06:24]:
Yeah. Of course. So I think the word avatar originally comes from, like, video games in, like, the late nineties, early 2000 where you could have, like, kinda like this this virtual identity of yourself. And back in those times and even today, people use would use, like, fake names, and they basically run on the Internet and have their own personas. Then when we talk about, like, deep fakes let's go to virtual humans first. So, like, what we do specifically is we create photorealistic or what we call virtual humans that look like you, but also not like a 3 d model, not like a gamified version of you, which I think also gets associated with avatars in general. And people create those with their own consent for their own purpose. They have their own ideas about what it is they wanna use them for, and they're fully involved and fully consensual.

Gen Ukaj [00:07:12]:
Then we go into deep fakes, which is, like, when other people do it to people, when other people create these kinds of, like, virtual avatars or realistic looking avatars of people who don't wanna be cloned, who don't give their permission to do so, and they use those for nefarious reasons. Right? So we have the the the game the gamified, the realistic, and then the nefarious, I guess, is the way that I would put that.

Jordan Wilson [00:07:37]:
Yeah. That's that's a great that's a great way to, like, send the you know, or kind of draw the line in the sand, so to speak. So, you know, I wanna dive in, a little bit more about, you know, hour 1 and and how people can actually, you know, kind of the the middle one, you you know, creates digital versions of themselves. You know, I personally went through the process, which, was really cool, to to work with the the hour one team. You know, they sponsored the show yesterday. But, you know, even, you know, very visible people, you know, such as NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang, you know, had an hour one clone at the Computex conference. So maybe, Ken, can you just talk a little bit about, you know, what that process looks like and maybe some of the use cases why someone, you know, might even want to, you know, create a digital AI avatar of themselves.

Gen Ukaj [00:08:29]:
Yeah. Absolutely. So when it comes to creating a virtual clone, like like the one that you had made or the one that Jensen did, the the process by by doing so in order to get the best looking, most realistic clone is is gonna be through video production. Right? So, like, when we capture video or when video is captured of a person, that's, like, what they look like in real life. So the better the camera, the better the lighting, the more realistic and the more lifelike your clone is going to look. Why would somebody do this? Right? 1, I hate to say it, but it's because it's cool. It's super cool. Like, people like doing it because it's awesome.

Gen Ukaj [00:09:08]:
That's the first reason. The second reason is because there's a ton of different use cases and business cases around doing so. Right? Especially if you're a guy like yourself or a guy like Jensen who's a busy person who has a lot of different things that you need to do in a day, getting in front of a camera every single time you need to create some kind of video communication can be a challenge. Right? Especially if it's one of those days. You like, no matter how many cups of coffee you're having, you're not waking up. You have to go through the script a 1000000 times. Maybe your voice and your excitement just isn't there that day. Digitizing that and being able to produce the number of takes, like, realistically down to one take to get a video out there, that's a huge time saver for people who are busy.

Gen Ukaj [00:09:50]:
The second thing that I put out there is just broadening your audience. When you're using things like AI and you have a digital copy of your voice, especially a versatile one that can speak multiple languages, now instead of, like, popping subtitles on a screen or doing something like that, you could take Jordan. Jordan could start speaking Chinese to Chinese audience, French to his French audience, and really personalizing the content, showing the viewers out there in your case that you're aware of them, that you care for them, and that you want to do something that's more personalized for them. Right? So it's personalization at scale. It's time savings, and it's it's cost savings too at the end of the day because video production for most people I know, obviously, you have a ton of video. You have awesome video crew. Your green screen looks like it's way better than mine. I'm, like, chopping out in the background a little bit.

Gen Ukaj [00:10:36]:
Just saves people a ton of time. Right? And at at the end of the day, the bottom line as well.

Jordan Wilson [00:10:41]:
And, you know, let's let's just go ahead and do this. I didn't plan on, you know, showing, but maybe for our livestream audience, if you did miss yesterday. I'm just gonna go ahead and and play here maybe just just a second of of my, cup couple seconds here of my, digital clone that I made with our one. So if you missed it yesterday, you don't have to go back. So here, let's just go ahead and and kinda watch and listen here just for, just for a second. So, I actually don't know if I have audio on, but here is my digital clone, at least for our livestream audience. It looks super realistic. You know, people, you know, were were were kinda joking around this morning and saying, hey.

Jordan Wilson [00:11:20]:
Like, how do we know if if this is you, Jordan? You know, is this the future? You know, is this the AI version? But it is so realistic. It even got, you know, all my my forehead wrinkles and and all of those things. So, you know, I'm wondering, again, can you just talk us through, you know, different different use cases for people who are using this? Right? Like, what are people ultimately using it for? Because, yes, you can use it for anything, but what are some of those most common use cases that, you know, customers are coming to hour 1 with?

Gen Ukaj [00:11:51]:
So on our side, we we we're truly, like, a tool that can be used by if we're looking at it from a business perspective, pretty much any department has some kind of use case for hour 1. Like, I'm a a salesperson at hour 1. Right? So a lot of what I'm using it for is to send personalized communications to people that are talking with us about doing work with us and projects with us. So I'll send them messages instead of sending them something like a traditional recap email or, like, a proposal over email. I'll walk them through a presentation with my avatar, like, send them a a cool video to recap the conversation and kinda, like, really send it from an idea to, like, more of, like, a concept that they that they can really put themselves in and kinda see the future working with us personally. Right? Marketing teams use it for content. We we see a lot of, like especially, like, businesses that are strapped for cash. Just at least a lot of local and small businesses too.

Gen Ukaj [00:12:45]:
Like, if you're a small, medium sized business and you have to pay someone $10,000 to shoot a commercial every single time, might as well, you know, go the other direction and be able to create tons of advertisements and ads using your hour 1 character or taking, like, a a really popular person in your company and creating a virtual clone of them so that you can do all that just from your own computer instead of, you know, going to the local place, spending a day and a half, 2 days, 3 weeks making ads. Training videos, huge use case. So when you think about comp especially large companies that have a lot of different geographies and you wanna make videos for each geography, you might either have policies or policies might be changing all the time. It's a lot easier to edit video when the primary driver of it is a text prompt, and it's a lot easier to make videos in multiple languages if you don't have to find people who speak those languages, and you could just speak them yourself. Last one I'll say is, like, media is a huge one too. So for anybody in the audience that might have seen the Reid Hoffman avatar or the AI Reid Hoffman, him talking to his clone, This is like a like, probably one of our biggest examples of people creating content, like, engaging content. And then we also have you, Jordan, who did very, very similar thing. So you have a ton of opportunities there too.

Gen Ukaj [00:14:02]:
Right? We, like, we we see, like, this emerging, like, case around news, which we've actually been doing for, like, a couple years now where you can create content with a virtual twin, pretty much automatically. Like, imagine getting a story out there faster than anybody else because now you don't have to get into a studio. Now you don't have to go on-site. You can collect footage, drop your avatar into a video, put a script in there, and generate a video. Pretty much being the first one to break a story, right, if you think about it from the news angle.

Jordan Wilson [00:14:28]:
Yeah. I I like that. And, you know, you brought up so many again, you brought up so many great use cases that I hadn't even necessarily thought about. Right? And now that I have my, you know, digital AI Jordan, it's like, oh, maybe I should start doing all of these things right, like speaking different languages, you know, sometimes not having to, you know, kind of quote unquote get camera ready. You you know, I think there's so many great use cases, but, you know, I'm wondering because I'm sure you guys get a lot of, like, off the wall requests, like people asking, you know, or or, you know, wanting to use AI clones of themselves for, you know, wild reasons. Can you share any of those with us, or maybe what are some of the most, you know, strange, re requests or stories that you've heard about for, you know, people wanting to use an AI avatar that way?

Gen Ukaj [00:15:14]:
Yeah. Caveat here is my opinions are my opinions. So, you know, I'm just the guy. I'm not I'm not I don't know everything, but some of the weirdest ones that I've heard weird's, I guess, harsh. Some things that I didn't think would be great use cases. There was recently someone who came to me and said that they wanted to create a therapist using a language model that would interact with people. Why do I think that that's a bad idea? I'm not perfect. Right? Like, I've gone to therapy before.

Gen Ukaj [00:15:47]:
I think everybody at one point in their life should just to see you know, I don't wanna burden all my friends and my family with my trauma. So the idea that you like, a person's gonna be comfortable interacting with a a bot that they know is a bot and sharing their personal feelings with them, that level of empathy kinda just misses, right, when you when you think about things like that. There's not, like, a direct replacement. Like, I think a lot of times people want things to be super cheap, super efficient. They they get dollar signs in their eyes, and they don't think about the fact that humans still like talking to humans. This isn't this isn't like a human replacement program. That was a weird one. I'm trying to think what else.

Gen Ukaj [00:16:30]:
I don't know why I can't stop thinking about that one. That one

Jordan Wilson [00:16:32]:
really Yeah. That one that one is that that one is, you you know, super, super interesting. Yeah. And, you know, I I I like what you said there, Dan, that's, you know, humans still like talking to humans. Right? But, I guess one of the the downsides to that is not every human has the capacity or bandwidth to talk to everyone that they may want to. Right? Which is why, you know, I think this technology is is booming. And and speaking of it. Right? Like, I've seen a lot of stories and, you know, news articles recently that people said, oh, you know, in the future, you know, you're not even going to attend meetings.

Jordan Wilson [00:17:05]:
Right? Like, now there's, you know, AI meeting assistance where, you know, you can have your your, you know, your Zoom AI or your Teams, you know, Microsoft Teams AI or, you know, there's all these AI note takers, but it might even go even further in the future where instead you just send like an AI clone. Right? Is I mean, where do you see, you you know, the future of this technology going? I'm I'm not gonna hold you to it and, you know, tell you to, you know, place it on the hour 1 roadmap. But when we take a broader look at, you know, where the digital twin and AI avatar, where that industry is heading, where do you see it going? The world of communication is changing. That's why you need to pay attention to a sponsor of this podcast, hour 1. Even NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang used hour 1, and I think you should too. So my name is Jordan Wilson. I'm the host of Everyday AI, and here's the deal with hour 1. You gotta check them out.

Jordan Wilson [00:18:02]:
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Gen Ukaj [00:18:50]:
That's a really good question. Just to preface it with, like, the universe that we really operate in is business to business. So I think about a lot of the use cases that, like, where we play in the most and what our customers are super excited about. And then I'll also dovetail it with, like, I guess, like, some things that I just see out there in, like, the consumer world too. Right? So, like, I see, like, this big, big, big open opportunity for, like, where big companies wanna have, like, some sort of central figure, like, a bot within their own universe or their own company that they can go to and ask questions to. Kinda like just like a source of knowledge, but it's like a person. Right? So instead of, like, trying to get in touch with people at the company who might know answers to questions about things like that, whether that's HR, whether that's leadership, or who it is, you can go and interact with or just type a question to, like, your your your central bot that can quickly get you answers, like, in in the company's here. Right? Like, your dedicated knowledge person.

Gen Ukaj [00:19:51]:
Like so then, like, the the push for that comes to, like, this real time sense. Right? A lot of companies are super interested in, like, the real time live interactive avatar stuff. So, ultimately, that's kinda like the holy grail for every company that's in our space, is getting to, like, real time stuff. When it comes to, like, not attending meetings and doing stuff like that, that's that's a big talking point that a lot of people like to say. Hot take too. I also think that's a little weird. I think that, like, if you if you, like, if you can't be at the meeting and then you just pat on the notes to go to the meeting, we're gonna get into this cycle of, like, are meetings necessary, not necessary? I think it's super important to be present in meetings when they're important. We've all been in meetings that we almost could have been emails, not to be cliche.

Gen Ukaj [00:20:36]:
But but yeah. So, like, the main use cases I see around it, like, kinda going forward is being even more personal. Like, as, like, this technology is evolving so fast. Like, in a year, avatars are gonna be so real that people are gonna wonder if videos they're watching on TV are are AI generated or not, which is mind blowing and crazy. Right? You'll be able to really, really, really spread your time. Like, marketing use cases are really gonna explode in the next year or so. Personalized sales communications are really gonna explode in the next year or so. And then the closer and closer things get to real time, you'll you'll see, like, fast food chains deploying customer service, like cashiers, like, just on video, taking people's orders, or being able to, like, check out with, like, a virtual person online when you're shopping on Amazon or something like that.

Gen Ukaj [00:21:29]:
Like, that's kinda how I see it going on the business front, really in the next couple years.

Jordan Wilson [00:21:35]:
Yeah. And, again, so many so many things there that we can we we can dive deep, into. And, you you know, just as a reminder to our audience, if you're joining us live midway through, we have Gen Okai, who is, in enterprise sales at hour 1. You know, one thing and, you know, please, if if you have questions, get them in now before we start to wrap here in a couple. But, you know, one thing I think about is the the ethical, concerns. And and, right, you said this technology is going to get so good that people are going to have a hard time, you know, knowing if something is is real or not. Right? Like, you can maybe be in in the future, be on a Zoom call or interacting, you know, with a an AI avatar on a customer's website and not even know if it's real. So what are maybe some of those, ethical considerations that, you know, both companies who are using this technology should think about? And then also just the average person out there, like like, what are all of those considerations that we should keep in mind?

Gen Ukaj [00:22:36]:
Yeah. So, like like, any industry that's gonna, like, really break ground, the laws eventually will catch up with any like this. So it's up to the companies, I think, in the front end to to build a ground of ethics. What I really like about what we do as a company is we we always disclose when it's an avatar that's in any kind of communication. We recommend to our customers that they do the same. Right? So when when you're putting content out there that's generated with an AI avatar, especially as these things become more and more uncanny, I think it behooves the person who's putting putting them out there to be like, this is AI generated. What we see too, by the way, when you do that is people get a lot more excited about it versus when you tell people that it's you and then they find out later that it's a AI. They're like, oh, like, these guys lied to me.

Gen Ukaj [00:23:20]:
They're liars. Terrible. But no. Like so that's, like, one of the biggest things as far as, like, practices. Then the other thing behind, like, just the technology itself. Right? Like, avatars are built off of software that work natively on their own platforms. So something that I just wanna say they give people, like, some level of comfort is when avatars are being created by professional companies like our one, they're being created on our tool. That avatar can't be used outside of our software.

Gen Ukaj [00:23:51]:
It can't be like, you can't, like, take your avatar and then, like, program it into some other tool. It's built on it's built on our our the entire structure of the software and the hardware is is completely, like, run by us. Right? So these people that are cloned, like Jordan, gave us their consent to clone their image. They they have complete control over how it's used, if anybody else at their company can use it, if they wanna give that access to other people. So all that stuff is completely, you know, taken care of in a way where it's completely ethical and that nobody's running away with your avatar. Dovetail that with all the companies that are doing the deep fake stuff. They don't necessarily have the kind of infrastructure, like, to to do that, to get to that really, really hyper realistic one. I don't know if you've ever seen, like, those Barack Obama, Joe Biden memes on Instagram.

Gen Ukaj [00:24:37]:
1, hilarious. Just saying. They're really funny. 2, they're they don't look real. Like, you could tell. It looks almost like a cardboard cutout of of them kinda like box talking to each other. That stuff is never gonna fool anybody at the end of the day. And the companies that, like, really, really try to invest in deep taking other people's images will eventually get shut down just on the ethics alone.

Gen Ukaj [00:24:59]:
Right? No one no one wants to live in a universe where your image can just be taken and stolen from you.

Jordan Wilson [00:25:04]:
You know, and and maybe even on the flip side, you you know, again, I'm I'm glad you, you know, again, brought up, you know, deep fakes and, you know, ethical use and, you know, having to consent and say, hey. This is this is how we're going to use it. This is who can access it. This is what it can be used for. I I think that's super important, but there's maybe a flip side. And, you know, I kind of saw, Tara here with a comment saying, you know, this would be great for dementia patients to see, familiar faces. And, also, you know, Dutch with a comment here, just kind of talking about how AI can help, with, for accessibility for those maybe with a speech impediment, you know, people who, you know, are blind, deaf, neurodivergent, etcetera. Maybe can you talk a little bit about those use cases, which I hadn't even really processed a lot and how this can actually maybe increase human connection with with loved ones or for people maybe, facing, you know, certain, disabilities.

Gen Ukaj [00:25:59]:
Yes. Touchy subject on the latter part. The first part's a really, really cool use case for this stuff. When you think about health care and the health care industry, one, just to say you're not gonna replace surgeons or doctors with AI avatars and robot like, to sort like, even if you you have the best robot outside of this category, you still need somebody who's a trained professional to monitor and make sure everything's going smoothly with that. Opening up access to care for people, especially in a world where the economy is, like, dollars are super inflated and access to to to, like, income is, like, is is kinda widespread. Lowering the barrier to get good quality care from something that's built off of, like, a really, really fleshed out language model or, like, giving somebody the ability to, I forget what that person's name was, but it's just a really, really great call out and a good idea, like dementia patients or people just so that they they, 1, see familiar faces or 2, be able to slow down the speech of somebody that they're talking to so they could fully understand it to improve accessibility. All that stuff, really, really good use cases for this kind of technology. The last piece of that, this is a little bit of a hot take.

Gen Ukaj [00:27:07]:
So whoever asked the question, please forgive me if if this is not nice of me to say. There is some, like, kind of ethical concern if you think about about bringing back back debt debt people. To your question before, we have had a lot of people be like, can you be like, I have, like, a bunch of pictures of x y z person in my like, can you reanimate them and bring them back to life kind of thing? Without getting my opinion too far in there, there there there's there's there's some there's something to be said about that, like, in putting all spirituality and religious kind of, like, things aside, like, opening the door to that is is something that a lot of people should consider just about, like, how healthy is that mentally, and and all of those kinds of things. Right? So just just to say.

Jordan Wilson [00:28:00]:
I love this. We're tackling, you you know, kind of the elephants in the room because I think people always always think about that. And there's always stories, right, about how AI can, you know, help you, you know, talk with your loved ones or interact with loved ones, clone their voice. But, you know, I love what you said there again about there's also, you know, other, like, moral or ethical implications that you kinda have to think about and, you know, the impact that that this can have because there's, you know, tremendous upsides, but also, you know, potential downsides if you don't use this, you know, in the kind of, I won't say correct way because there is no correct way, but if you don't use it in kind of an ethical and moral way. Again, I'm curious. You know, how do maybe even you or other people on your team I mean, do you use this own technology? Right? Does anyone on on your team have, clones and and avatars that you use out in the wild for different use cases? I love asking people this, you know, either what you know, how they use, generative AI in their day to day or, you know, hey. What are, you know, even internal use cases of your own tool that that maybe you all use?

Gen Ukaj [00:29:01]:
Yes. So as a company where we make, you know, virtual humans day in and day out, pretty much everybody at the company has their own avatar. We use them for internal comms every Friday. Like, the leaders will, like, put out videos of, like, weekly updates and, like, like, cool things that happen at the company, using their avatar just like to kinda, like as as part of, like, our our end of week, like, sort of recap. That's, like, one, like, internal use case. Each like, all the salespeople use their avatars in the in the commute in communications with clients. You gotta live and breathe what you do. Right? So there's that.

Gen Ukaj [00:29:34]:
Out in the world, I'm not gonna lie. I've, like, made, like, goofy content on my Instagram channel for, like, my friends and family who, like, are are super curious about what I do with my avatar, which is is fun to sort of make. And then, like, as far as, like, other things, like, we have this guy at our company. His name's Ariel. He's, like, one, one of the smartest people, like, I've ever met in my life. He's he's just, like, an AI, like, tech genius. But he has, like, kinda like a meme channel running on his LinkedIn where he puts out, like, fun AI memes. Not just using his avatar, but just using our platform and using, like, our content out there.

Gen Ukaj [00:30:11]:
Like, these are, like, some different interesting ways. Right? Then the same classic ways that our customers use it. We also use it. We use our our avatars for marketing. We use them for sales. We use them for training videos internally. And and we sort of run the gamut as far as, like it it it really boils down to this. Any kind of video communication that requires a a real person, there's a use case for this kind of technology for anything that that boils down to really just that core set of requirements.

Jordan Wilson [00:30:41]:
Yes. So so, Ken, we've we've gone, a little bit of everywhere in this conversation, which I've I've really, enjoyed. Right? Because we've talked about different use cases, you know, for AI avatars or digital clones. We've talked about the difference between deepfakes and and avatars and ethical and moral considerations, and also a little bit about the future of the technology and where this space is headed. So maybe as we as we wrap up here, what's that one, you you know, takeaway that you hope people can can remember or can glean from this conversation, at least when it comes to, you know, how digital avatars will impact our work, what should people know and remember?

Gen Ukaj [00:31:20]:
I think that the one biggest takeaway is that the the the main purpose of this kind of technology and really all technology that's good technology as a whole is to help people lower their access to doing things that only traditionally in the past that only, like, mega rich, mega wealthy people could do. Right? So if you're a small business out there and you wanna start marketing heavy, but you don't have a 6 figure advertising budget, avatars and creating a digital clone of yourself is gonna dramatically help you do that. If you're a big company and you're looking to really broaden the scope of the communications that you have internally, but you don't necessarily have all the resources to make videos in German or in French if you're a US based company or vice versa. Like, this kind of technology can help you recognize the different teams that you have in your organization. If you're a small sales team and you can't necessarily sit in front of a camera and shoot a 100 videos to reach out to a 100 people every day, Now you can just do that based up with text on your own computer using your own image. Right? So the one thing that I wanna say is, like, while the AI, especially in, like, the last 2 or 3 years, it's gotten, like, kinda scary. The the core purpose of this kind of technology and, again, and good technology as a whole is to get people more access to do more things, which which is really what it is that we're all about.

Jordan Wilson [00:32:38]:
Love I'd love to see it. This is so much great information. Again, thank you so much for joining the Everyday AI Show and sharing your insights and knowledge with us all. We really appreciate your time.

Gen Ukaj [00:32:51]:
Pleasure to be here again, Jordan. Thanks again for having me.

Jordan Wilson [00:32:53]:
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