Ep 515: Job Security Is Dead in the Age of AI. What You Should Do Instead.

Topics Covered in This Episode:

1. AI's Impact on Job Security
2. Future of Full-Time Employment
3. Clarity AI CEO's Personal Experiences
4. Coping with AI Layoff Anxiety
5. Shopify's AI Workforce Strategy
6. Upskilling to Future-Proof Careers
7. Personal Branding & Networking Importance
8. Emergency Plans for AI Layoffs

Keywords:

Job security in the age of AI, Future of work, Upskill, Reskill, Full-time employment, AI tools, Clarity AI, AI layoffs, Layoff anxiety, Personal branding, Networking, Gig economy, Upwork, Video editing, Debugging generated code, AI systems, Senior positions, Entry-level jobs, Skill set changes, Emergency plan, Financial stability, AI prototyping, Data solutions, Freelance, Income diversification, Automation, Digital twins, Roadmap to careers, AI influencer, Modern careers, AI-driven marketplaces, Team restructuring.

Podcast Transcript

Jordan Wilson [00:00:16]:
Your average company or your average full time employment is probably gonna look a heck of a lot different in a couple of years versus what it looks like today. And as you can probably guess, because you're listening to the everyday AI podcast, it's because of AI. Right? And today, we're gonna be talking about, why job security might be dead in the age of AI and what you should be doing instead. I know that so many people out there are probably thinking about this. What does my career look like in the near future? What does my, what should my skill set, you know, how should I be shaping or changing or improving on my skill set? And, yeah, what the heck is we're going to look like? Right? And although we probably won't have definitive answers, we have no crystal ball, but I even feel purse, personally confident saying, yeah. The whole job security thing, not really like it used to be, right, where you could park yourself in in in a cubicle for twenty to thirty years and, ride it out. It's not like that. Luckily, you don't have to hear me rant about it all day.

Jordan Wilson [00:01:26]:
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Jordan Wilson [00:02:11]:
This is actually a prerecorded one, that we're debuting live. So if you're looking for the daily AI news, that's gonna be in the newsletter. But I'm excited for today's guest. So please help me welcome to the show as we bring here on the live stream here, doctor Joan Palmiter Bajorek. Joan, thank you so much for joining the Everyday AI Show.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:02:31]:
So happy to be here. Hey, Jordan.

Jordan Wilson [00:02:33]:
Alright. And and so, tell us a little bit, what is Clarity AI? So you're the CEO of Clarity AI, and you also have a book. Tell us a little bit about your background in AI.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:02:43]:
Absolutely. Well, I've been a a data and AI builder for the last, like, decade now. And as the CEO of Clarity AI, which is the group I founded, we build custom AI and data solutions for scaling SMB, agriculture, manufacturing. I get to do tons of cool projects, but working on the back ends of things and scaling with companies to build them AI automations and data lakes and digital twins and fun things like that. And I have a a new book out. It's my first book, actually. Your a Roadmap, which is more of a a b to c book talking about, or people in my DMs are constantly, like, how did you do it? Like, what's going on there? And so, talking about modern careers and money stuff, as I'm an AI influencer, helping people just a few steps behind me, things I wish I'd known two years ago that could have made my life so much, much easier. So your AI roadmap is both my book and my podcast.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:03:38]:
Not as cool as this podcast, but out there as well.

Jordan Wilson [00:03:41]:
So so, you know, speaking of of of your story, so you even have, some personal experience in today's, you know, episode of of job security in AI. Tell everyone a little bit of of what that was like, for you, you know, going through some kind of AI layoffs.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:03:59]:
Oh, yeah. Well, here in Seattle, it's more and more common. But, just, you know, as the listener, this might be shocking, I've been in not one but two large scale AI layoffs. And the first time I took it so personally, but then you zoom out a little bit and you're like, 30% of the company let go in a day. Is that really personal? Like, you know, experience is painful and Harvard Business Review says that 50% of US adults are experiencing layoff anxiety, which I don't know if people are listening might feel that anxiety, but I so here in Seattle, that could be eighty percent. Like, the daily layoff announcements from Meta and Starbucks and Intel. Anyway, it's a lot. So a lot of the things I talk about with general audience people is, like, how do we take care of ourselves and our careers and our money? Like, what kind of agency to take action should just be, like, being in an anxious place is not gonna do you much.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:04:47]:
So what actions can we take?

Jordan Wilson [00:04:49]:
Yeah. And it's, you know, it's, serendipitous maybe. Right? Like, this is all like, so many things are happening at the same time, probably in a bad way. Right? You know, The US economy, you know, I know we have, you know, people listening from all over the world, but The US economy has been in, you know, kind of some turmoil over the last couple of months. You you know, we've had these big AI layoffs that happen, you know, in mass in 2023, '20 '20 '4. And then at the same time, the AI systems, you know, a lot of them coming out of, you you know, your backyard there in Seattle, on the West Coast, in Silicon Valley, they're becoming more and more capable and agentic by default. Right? So, you know, could you kind of give everyone else a thumbprint of of where we're at with that AI anxiety? Like like, why is it 50%? Why are so many people, scared of what's happening?

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:05:38]:
I think a lot of people who've just day jobs, like, that is their health insurance. That is, like, how they pay their mortgage. And to know that I mean, the the Shopify CEO that I don't know whether it was leaked or otherwise, but, like, you have to justify headcount. Like, why are we not using AI versus a human? And actually, in my work, we we benchmark against mechanical jerk. It's actually you say, do we wanna build it? Is it better to build an AI or do you have a human do it? And, like, look at those cost breakdown. That's something I've been doing for several years now. But I think people living in that fear, living in that, like, layoff anxiety is like, I don't feel stable anymore. Should I feel scared? Will we have layoffs? I don't know that anyone, even Sam Altman even Sam Altman can get ousted in a day from his own company.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:06:23]:
Right? Like so I don't think anybody is safe, and we're not used to a society like that. Like, we're we're used to, as you mentioned, that cubicle twenty, thirty years, put your butt in the seat, work on that computer, I'm good to go kind of narrative. And that is absolutely not the case anymore into this new future of work, and so I think people are are scared, but there's just there's so much volatility. This is April 2025. Right? So, that shouldn't be a surprise to anybody, but how what we do next is kind of, again, my don't don't be too scared. Take action is my mantra.

Jordan Wilson [00:06:56]:
Yeah. And I I I do obviously wanna spend a good majority of the time talking about what we do next, but, you know, I'm I'm glad you brought up that Shopify, example. So, yeah, this was about, two weeks ago. I think it was initially a leak, but then, you know, he actually just, put this out, his full kind of memo to his, employees, on Twitter where essentially he said, you know, AI is a fundamental expectation for employees now. And before, requesting resources, whether it's hiring more people or just budget, they first had to justify why AI couldn't do it better. Right? Part of me when I saw that, part of me was like, okay. Duh. But then part of me was like, okay.

Jordan Wilson [00:07:36]:
That's actually very profound, for what it means, for for growing businesses. Right? How should business leaders, be processing when they see a very visible company like that put out a a memo? Should should business leaders, you know, CEOs, small business owners, should they be putting that same kind of memo out or at least having that way of thinking?

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:08:00]:
I I would hope so. I think it's really helpful, and and it my gut reaction was like, wow. That's hardcore. And then I was like, honestly, if you wanna be a company that's around in five, ten years, these are the questions I recommend you ask or even, like, as you mentioned, leadership. Right? Like, as a management, are we future proofing ourselves as a team to think about how we are helpful to the overall company budget? Like, I think this is, it really makes sense for future proofed companies, and I certainly speak to them daily about, like, how are you gonna make it in the next few decades? What is your value add? What is your moat that makes you uniquely helpful as a human using AI? Like, it's an additive. Anyway, I think that goes back to fear mongering, but ask the question. Yeah.

Jordan Wilson [00:08:43]:
Yeah. And and, you know, for so many, adults, and I'm sure it's, you know, worldwide, not just here in The US, but going back to that sat where 50%, here are, you know, kind of experiencing this layoff anxiety. You know, I know a lot of people just kind of twiddle their thumbs and, you know, see all the new, you know, capabilities that AI systems have and hope it doesn't hit home. Right? What should people be doing?

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:09:10]:
Well, in a company, if you wanna stay at your company, I recommend you upskill in whatever tools are in your sector. So if you're in the finance sector, what cool tools are there available for you to upscale in? Raise your hand to those work groups that are prototyping. You know, it's wild to me, like, 92% of the Fortune five hundred are already prototyping with OpenAI's tools. Whether they're successful or not remains to be seen. But like you prototyping yourself as an individual within your company, like, work to future proof yourself, get get excited, try to be curious. And I would say also document the ROI. Is there an ROI? Will compute cost be so high that actually doesn't have an ROI? Like, I think just being thoughtful about that budget piece or the fiscals, watching those fiscals is something I'd recommend also.

Jordan Wilson [00:09:58]:
So I'm I'm I'm guessing most people, you know, listening to the show have a, rather, proactive approach to AI, you know, probably looking at it, with a little bit more optimism than pass than pessimism, at least, hopefully. Right? You would assume people, listening. But maybe for if they're directing teams that maybe don't have, as positive of a view as, AI. Right? And this is something, you know, when we consult with companies or, you know, speak at companies, this is something we hear all the time is, you know, kinda like what you were saying there. Employees don't always want to be using and building these AI solutions because it's kinda like, woah. I'm replacing myself, right, and replacing my skill set. How should companies and employees be meeting that head on because it's an extremely sticky situation? Oh, gosh.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:10:50]:
I've seen the carrot. I've seen the stick on this one. I mean, on a basic level, I recommend just like upscaling trainings, like the Samsung data breach where people put source code into an LLM externally. Did they have a training to say, like, just because it doesn't look like an email, like, how are you helping your internal employees, even the one that's dragging their feet who doesn't wanna learn, make them like that upscaling and data and AI literacy that everyone needs. It's kinda like putting a computer in the workplace. Like, everyone needs to start working on the computer. Same here. Everyone needs to build that, acumen and that skill set.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:11:27]:
So that's it. You're asking me about a human psychology question. I don't know that I'm qualified to answer, but that's how I'd start.

Jordan Wilson [00:11:34]:
So, you you know, even when it comes to training, it it seems, black and white. Right? At least to me. But some stuff I hear from companies even, you know, some of the largest companies in the world, I scratch my head because I'm like, okay. Training shouldn't be that hard. But it seems for whatever reason, to be this this elusive, thing that companies just can't nail down. Right? We've been saying train your employees, train your employees, upscale, reskill, you know, skill share, cross skill. Right? Like, skill anything, but it's not happening. Why do you think that, you know, here we are, you know, two and a half years into ChatGPT, five plus years into generative AI, yet skilling and AI literacy is is this, like, never, ending, problem for companies?

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:12:24]:
Oh, gosh. If I could answer that question. I mean, I talked to family members who are like, is this just like NFTs? Can I just wait for this to go away? And I'm like, unfortunately, not this one. And I I think that also comes from leadership that is like, this scares me or I have an aunt. I'd rather retire than upskill was a phrase used at a family party. So, you know, I I really think it's between the ears, but you're right. It's it's not rocket science. These trainings were not, you know, one to 10.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:12:54]:
Can we just start with the fundamentals, the basics? I don't expect everyone to be an r and d AI engineer tomorrow. It's not reasonable nor fiscally responsible, but, like, the basic steps. As as people listening to this, hopefully, you're doing that that upscaling for yourself regardless of what company you work at today or tomorrow.

Jordan Wilson [00:13:12]:
You know, speaking of of companies of of tomorrow, I kinda started, with with a little, monologue there on, you know, it's gonna look a little different. What do you see full time employment? Is it changing? Are we still gonna have traditional full time jobs in in five to ten years or, you you know, the majority of, you know, US adults? Is is that how it's gonna work? How might this shake out?

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:13:36]:
I mean, here in Seattle, Investors love seeing the small teams that bring in huge amount of revenue. That's a very soft remind. It's that I think this SAS life. I don't see full time long term employment as the thing anymore. I see more of a project based freelance. Like, the more we can gigify, you know, people don't wanna pay for headcount overhead and health insurance if they don't have to on the leadership. It is very sad, like, corporate, very capitalistic idea, but I think that diversifying our income streams, not being so reliant just on one source of income, that one FTE, I think that's a dangerous prospect, and more and more people see that. People like me have been laid off.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:14:18]:
Like, wait a minute. I can build different income streams. I actually 22 income streams. I I listen in my book. But that diversification builds more stability for for anybody. So, more and more, in insecurity on that job front.

Jordan Wilson [00:14:35]:
And, yeah, it's it's a great point. It's actually, you know, if if you haven't, listened, I think that was episode, four forty six on our twenty twenty five AI predictions and road map series that we talked about that one in-depth. So if if kind of the the gig economy for the everyday average American worker, if you're like, wait. What's that mean? Make sure to go check that out. But, you you know, even as it comes to skills, people should be building. Right? So let's say it's fair to say 50%. Sure. I would say even the majority of people listening to this show probably have some sort of, anxiety when it comes to their their job security.

Jordan Wilson [00:15:14]:
What should they actually be doing? Right? Because, yeah, we can talk about, you know, upskilling, reskilling all day. What should they be learning? What should they be spending their time on? Maybe while they still have a full time job. Right? What are those skill sets they should be sharpening?

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:15:29]:
Yeah. Well, this is, I think, gonna be a little weird one. People might not assume this, but looking into the data, having lived it, your personal brand and your networking. When I looked at the this has worked for me, but also the research. LinkedIn after first layoffs, big layoffs in 2020 for COVID layoffs, people landed there seventy percent of people landed in their next job based on an introduction. 70%. It wasn't spamming your CV to 400 boxes. It was who you know.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:15:58]:
Oh, Tim knows this thing. Lisa knows this thing. Like, 70%. It's a human based game. I could talk there's there's more data to that point if you wanna dive into that, but the point being, it's who you know. So going to that networking event in your industry, or if you wanna upscale pivot, you're like, hey. I really wanna triple down in AI and pharma. Great.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:16:18]:
Go to those events, talk to people, follow-up, you know, your LinkedIn and, like, who you are on these platforms. So, like, tripling down on personal branding and that networking flywheel will future proof you, I believe, in that kind of career future proof your career idea.

Jordan Wilson [00:16:35]:
Yeah. I think that's just good call out for all humans in general. Right? I I think I'm probably on the extreme end of, you know, talking to LLMs way more than I talk to humans. And, you know, I always have to remind myself to go outside and and touch grass. Right? But it almost seems counterintuitive. Right? But it's smart. Right? We have all these, you know, smart AIs we can talk to all day and accomplish so much. And I love your example.

Jordan Wilson [00:17:01]:
You know, people are using all these, you know, AI tools to apply for 80,000 jobs in ten minutes. It's like, no. Go shake some hands. Right? You know, can can can you talk to, that that point a little bit more? Is that kind of one of those things where, hey. When everyone else is is zigging, maybe you should zag?

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:17:22]:
Well, I think people love, like, the skills, like hiding behind the things and just doing the skills, but the person who's actually gonna get you the job is a human, most likely, most likely. And so, I mean, an example I'll give is, like, the flywheel. If you build up this personal brand, you build your skill set. I got an amazing message recently from someone I met for thirty minutes years ago who remembered me and DM'd me and was like, I found you again on LinkedIn. There's this huge opportunity. I wanna connect you with this person. It's a win win. I see you still do this work.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:17:52]:
Huge dollar sign opportunity in my DMs just from having a personal brand up, continuing to talk about the stuff I do, like that network from years ago. Or, like anyway, it paid dividends. Very cool project. But, like, the ability for you to know the human, I I wouldn't have known that project existed, let alone applied for it. Right? And and the things that aren't ever listed on on job postings. So you can if you'd like to supplement and and still spam your CV, but it's really how are you gonna be in the top starred CVs? The recommended list. That's getting a referral from someone who works at that company that they vouch for you and they say, yeah, Jordan's amazing. You gotta talk to him.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:18:31]:
Right? I mean, I'll even like, literally yesterday, my DMs, a CEO is hiring from very nice job, pays 600 to $800,000, only warm intros is how people interview for that job. So she was like, I need someone in this and this with this category. And I was like, I know three people. I'll send them your way. So it's a very relationship. Isn't it weird though? We work in AI, and I'm, like, tripling down on recommending human stuff. But It's true.

Jordan Wilson [00:18:54]:
I I think it's smart. Right? It's it's it's when, you know, the freeway's congested, but, you know, no one's on the train. You know? Maybe it's like take train. Right? You know, to to to stand out, which sounds counterintuitive. Right? Everything that people did in the, you know, sixties, seventies, you know, until the Internet started to take over. It's like, yeah. Go meet people, shake hands. It's about who you know and what you know, sometimes.

Jordan Wilson [00:19:18]:
You know, one other thing I I I wanted to ask you, about a little bit is, you know, having, like, an emergency plan. Right? Like like a layoff plan. What does that mean, and and why should, you know, maybe professionals that are very happily employed, right now and and and see things going, you know, swimmingly, why do they need to be prepared for, you know, that that AI layoff?

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:19:45]:
Yeah. Well, don't we always think it's never gonna be us? The sideswipe, the jab. Most Americans don't have an emergency fund. Emergency fund is traditionally three to six months of living expenses off and on, like, a high yield savings account, boring on the side, stable monies. Most people don't have that. Most people, even people who are making wild amounts of money, sadly, are living paycheck to paycheck sometimes. It blows my mind, and then I've talked to my friends. I'm like anyway, I talk in my book about someone my friend who makes 1,300,000.0 a year, and she does not have financial stability.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:20:17]:
It, like, blows my mind. Anyway, I I didn't ask her further part personal questions, but, I recommend to anybody to sleep well at night. Even if you think you're, like, trajectory, I'm gonna get the next promotion bonus. I see it all for myself, making sure especially in this volatile climate, you may not have a choice. Like, as I mentioned, 30% of the company might get let go in a day. If things change for you and your company, you may not have the opportunity. So, taking care of that financial house, building your acumen in financial literacy, boring basic stuff that'll help you build wealth, and then that personal branding and that networking, those are like the three things. If you're like figuring out your plan, if you're like, oh, oh, or maybe the person listening is like, actually, I am or there's a layoff rumored.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:20:57]:
Like, it could be me. Emergency fund, personal brand, network are the three things I'd spend all my time making sure I had. So, and just expansion. I think people get so nervous and scared. We're like, oh, I can I can, you know, trim my budget blah blah blah? I'm like, why don't you just sell something and and make more do you know what I mean? Like, making that first extra dollar, I think it's, like, one of the most exciting things. You're like, wait a minute. I could make a lot more. Like, the upside is is a huge potential up.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:21:25]:
So I think, hopefully, the person listening is not like, oh, she's telling me to, like, be scared and, like, set aside this money. I'm saying, like, have that robust stability and make more.

Jordan Wilson [00:21:35]:
Yeah. I I think it's extremely important. It's something I've never been shy about this. Right? We're 500 and, you know, 10 plus episodes in. I started this thing out day one episode one saying AI is going to take more jobs than it creates. And, you know, the future of work, it is your your college educated people, like probably so many of us listening. You're gonna have multiple side hustles. You're gonna have multiple, companies, multiple careers.

Jordan Wilson [00:22:01]:
That's the reality. Right? If you follow the math, follow the the the studies, there's there's no other way it shakes out, I think. But, you know, let's let's still stay inside the the the, friendly confines of, you know, The US cubicles. Let's let's talk about teams. How how might teams change? Right? I'm not gonna, you know, hold you to it in a year. Right? But but how might those even positions or, types of jobs, change because of AI?

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:22:30]:
Yeah. Well, I think as you mentioned, I agree with you completely the size of teams and just how many jobs are left in a three to five year period. Way smaller team size, especially development. I mean, software engineering jobs are already disappearing, but also, like, what skill sets you need in those jobs. Like, I've interviewed some, developers who didn't know yet how to debug generated code. Debugging generated code is different from debugging someone else's human code. Maybe that should be obvious, but it was not for people I was interviewing. So having your skill set match what's going on in the future using these tools.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:23:06]:
So shape of we and we need fewer entry level people usually. So I think there's a bifurcation of super senior CTO who will always review things before it gets deployed or check bugs. They're like anyway, I have a fantastic CTO. She's not worried about her job, but more that, like, mid level, I think is being separated out. Do we need these mid level folks? Whereas I think some grunt workers, on that intro entry level are still still still needed in some points, but just like size of teams and skill sets, would be shifting.

Jordan Wilson [00:23:41]:
What what are teams that might be growing? Right? So you you kinda talked about software development. Right? Those jobs, you know, maybe might not look or the the size or the quantity. And, yeah, we've already seen since, I think, 2022, just the amount of new software development roles decreasing at a rapid rate, year over year. But, yeah, what are maybe some of those, you know, roles or team sizes that could be in increasing? Is is is that something that could happen?

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:24:09]:
Yeah. I don't I mean, I speculation, I love that you've data as well. One of the cool studies I saw was from Upwork, you know, that freelancing platform that they noticed that after ChatGPT came out, writing jobs, copywriting kind of traditional marketing jobs were disappearing off the platform or decreasing by 30 to 40%. Video editing jobs were spiking almost 40% that those were jobs that were needed. I think a lot of short form video is more and more popular on LinkedIn, YouTube shorts, etcetera. A human to do quality video editing is frequently still needed. So if anyone's looking for a lucrative side hustle, at least for the next three years, quality video editing is a skill set companies and teams pay for. Yeah.

Jordan Wilson [00:24:53]:
It's it's funny. It's something you know, I used to do a lot of that, like, fifteen years ago, and I'm like, man, like, I I've I've I've I've done my time in that. I'll let someone, more more ambitious, take that take that one on. So so we've we've we've covered a lot in today's, you know, conversation from, you know, even your own personal story with the AI layoffs, how job security is is changing, and even how the the future of full time employment might not be really what we've, you know, come to, you know, realize over the last few decades. But as we wrap up, what's the one most important piece of actionable, actionable advice, that you have for our listeners? Oh, gosh.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:25:38]:
Well, it can can it be go get the book? No. My book would be really helpful if you're thinking about these topics. It's step by step walks through. The number one thing, though, I'd recommend, and I've seen this in my friends who get laid off, who don't take care of themselves, the mental and physical health being crucial during this time. No one wants to hire you if you're not taking care of yourself. If you're showing up to that network event looking bedraggled, it's just less compelling. Okay. So making sure to keep working out, eating your vegetables, taking care of your mind if you need to go to therapy, etcetera, like those nuts and bolts of like basic human take care of yourself.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:26:12]:
So crucial today more than any other day if you're especially experiencing that anxiety. So I go to therapy, take care of yourself, but that would be my super number one.

Jordan Wilson [00:26:22]:
Yeah. Love that. You know, I've I've asked a lot of people. You know, you never get someone that says, like, take care of your mental health, eat your fruits and vegetables, go exercise. Yeah. Like, do do the human things. Go go touch grass, shake hands, eat your veggies. Love to hear it.

Jordan Wilson [00:26:37]:
Well, Joe, thank you so much for sharing your time and insights on the everyday AI show. We really appreciate it.

Dr. Joan Palmiter Bajorek [00:26:43]:
Thanks, Jordan. It's a pleasure to be here.

Jordan Wilson [00:26:45]:
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