Ep 32: What Happens When ChatGPT Hosts Your Podcast?


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Jordan [00:00:00]:

Could ChatGPT be eyeing my job as the host of Everyday AI? Well, stick around. We're about to find out. I'm Jordan Wilson, your AI aficionado. And this is Everyday AI, your daily dose of podcast live stream and newsletter goodness. We're your one stop shop for all things AI, from ChatGPT to Midjourney and beyond. So we're here to keep you in the loop and ahead of the curve.

How we're using ChatGPT for today's episode

So, speaking of curves, we got a guest today who knows all about them. So that's right, folks, our guest today is none other than ChatGPT itself. So I know what you're thinking, Jordan, how can AI be a guest? Well, my friends, in the world of AI, anything is possible. So stick around. And we're going to chat with ChatGPT about the latest AI buzz.

The rise of AI writing assistants. Will they be the next Hemingway or just a handy tool? There's only one way to find out. So stick around. It's going to be a wild ride. So, also on this show today, aside from ChatGPT, Brandon Vargas, the producer and host, co host of Everyday AI. Brandon, how are you doing?

Brandon [00:01:15]:

I'm doing well. How's everybody doing today? Hope you're doing well. We got an interesting one. See how kind of ChatGPT does. Hopefully they do good with the interview.

Jordan [00:01:26]:

We'll see. This is either going to be a lot of fun or a train wreck, so we'll find out. Brandon, this is an unscripted show. Normally, today's today is going to be a little different. So we're asking ChatGPT to run this whole thing. It told us what's important today in the news. It's doing a lot of things. But I have a question for you. Was that me in the intro or is that ChatGPT?

Brandon [00:01:52]:

I don't know. I think we should let the audience figure that out. Was that an audio-generated content you just heard or was that really Jordan?

Jordan [00:02:02]:

All right, well, here, we have to do this. Brandon, in the private chat. I need your vote. I need your vote. And then we'll reveal at the end, okay, to see if Brandon actually knew or not. I need to put him on. I need to put him on the spot.

All right, so if you're tuning in live, watching the live stream, please leave us a comment. Hopefully, Today is going to be a fun episode. If you're listening on the podcast spotify, Apple, whatever it is, please subscribe. Leave us a rating if you like the show. So let's get into it, Brandon, let's talk about what's going on in the world of AI. Full disclosure, we didn't write this.

Brandon [00:02:46]:

Yeah, let's do it. Let's see what ChatGPT has for us today and what it's wanting to talk about.

Anderson Horowat says AI is going to save the world

Jordan [00:02:53]:

All right, so here's what ChatGPT is saying is important in the world of AI today. So, Anderson Horowat says AI is going to save the world. So this is a private American venture capital firm. And essentially what's going on is they're saying that, hey, despite what's going on, AI is going to help, especially in the US. Kind of reach global tech superiority. Brandon, what's Check GPT want to know from us on this?

Brandon [00:03:29]:

It's funny, it's talking about itself in the third person already, so maybe it's a little stuck up. I don't know. Is AI kind of here to save the human race or is it just all tech hype? So I feel like those are both two of the extreme ends of what people have been talking about. Is this really the next big thing since the Internet? Or is this just kind of like a phase and it's going to go away?

Jordan [00:03:51]:

Yeah, I don't know. So I'd say no. Obviously, Anderson Horowitz is a huge VC firm and I think a lot of the big banks and VC firms have been throwing their money behind AI and AI related companies, probably for a reason. So I don't know if I'd say like, hey, is AI here to save us or save the world, like Anderson Horowat said. But I do think, especially from an economy standpoint, at least in the short term, I think it's kind of really helping. It's something that's really driving the American economy, especially over the last couple of months.

Brandon [00:04:33]:

Yeah, no, I agree with you on that. I do feel that there is some of course there's fear around it, but I think it's fear of the unknown. But when you kind of take a look at how you can approach it, that'll really give you the idea of whether or not it's actually something that's going to take over for you or help you. So I agree. This is definitely not just like a tech hype, not a trend, not a phase. This is definitely something you should be paying attention to and that's why we're talking about it. I don't think we'd be talking about if we thought it was a trend.

Jordan [00:05:06]:

Yeah, exactly. This isn't mom jeans. This isn't something that's going to stick around for a couple of years, take like three decades off and then come back out of nowhere. Thank you for the comments. Sayetta ChatGPT? Yes. Is the guest of the show.

Brandon [00:05:21]:

I'm switching the comments around. I didn't realize you're clicking on it.

Invisible AI's new AI cameras watch you work

Jordan [00:05:25]:

No worries. And then jessica, I love this. Jessica says, hate to admit, been using ChatGPT lately to help with my podcast content. Well, Jessica, thanks for that. And hopefully ChatGPT does as good of a job with the rest of today's show as it's doing for you.

So the next big piece of news, ChatGPT told us to talk about Invisible AIS. Intelligent agent cameras are watching us, apparently. So Invisible AI is a software company specifically working with auto workers and kind of in the auto industry. So essentially it's a vision based system that spots when auto workers or even the machines in the auto working plants are not doing what they're supposed to be. So ChatGPT, what do they want to know on this?

Brandon [00:06:21]:

So ChatGPT wants to know, is this a form of invasion of privacy or is this kind of like, getting maximum efficiency? And it's great for the industries that could use this.

Jordan [00:06:35]:

It's weird, I think, right? If we're using AI tech, this invisible AI is supposed to see if auto workers and the machines are doing their job. I don't know. Is that some next level of inception and AI big Brother overwatch? Like, if we're training essentially AI machines to make sure machines are doing their work correctly?

Brandon [00:07:00]:

I don't know. I think it depends on where this is taking place, just because there's obviously tons of things you've heard about, just, like, the manufacturing industry and just, like, overworking their workers. So I think this is a little it's tough. I'm not in a position personally to have this experience, to be like, yeah, I would hate that. But I think it's on a fine line in between. It depends on how it takes place.

Jordan [00:07:29]:

Yeah. So what about Brandon? I think for desk workers, right, there is time tracking software that a lot of companies use, which I think is terrible. I'm sorry, if you're a CEO listening to this and you use time tracking software for your employees, it makes me feel inky. But Brandon, do you think this will ever kind of go to desk jobs? Or if you were running a large company, would you want something like that?

Brandon [00:07:59]:

No, I wouldn't want it personally, but I can see why someone will use it. I do feel like with a working from home kind of way of life that we have now, I could see some people wanting to use that. I feel like overall, we've gotten a little bit lazier just as, like, a human race ever since we've been working from home war. So I think that would be something that some people would want to use.

Jordan [00:08:22]:

Yeah, it's weird to me, but I get it if it's from, like, a safety perspective. But when you get into productivity and pushing efficiency, I don't know, I'd say this is the literal definition of an AI big Brother, right? Just watching every watching even the machines, that's the one that gets me right.

Brandon [00:08:46]:

That's wild yeah. That is crazy.

AI writing for WordPress

Jordan [00:08:50]:

So before we get on to what ChatGPT told us to write about next, a reminder if you're listening to this, whether live or on the podcast, drop us an email. We have a little midshow Easter egg here, so send us an email. It's info@youreverydayai.com. So it's info@youreverydayai.com I wanted to plug this. We're doing a little we've talked about this on the show before, episode 24, if you want to go back and take a look.

So kind of our internal method that we do at everyday AI for getting the most out of ChatGPT. It's called prime prompt and polish. So it's our own internal method. I talked about on the show, got a lot of comments, people are like, oh, this is amazing, do you have more information? So for our loyal listeners and people that have really been engaging with us in the show so far, we already reached out to them. We gave them priority access. We wanted to have just a small group. So there's, I think, like six spots left.

So if you want to learn kind of how we've been using this technology and Brandon and I, we've been using this before ChatGPT came out, but we've been using the GPT technology since, I don't know, early 2021, so just give us a shout. So back to the chat. GPT news. This is another one, Brandon, a little inception here. So we have ChatGPT writing about what's happening in GPT news. So another one that you have to think about a little bit.

So, Automatic is launching an AI writing assistant for WordPress. So WordPress owner is automatic. That's the company name. So they just dropped what they're calling the Jetpack AI assistant. So for anyone using WordPress to power their website, and WordPress is the most popular content management system out there in the world, I think. I haven't looked at the stats recently, but I think it powers more websites than the next four content management systems combined. At one point, it powered like 30% of the internet, which is crazy to think about.

So anyways, this new Jetpack AI assistant, it's kind of think of it like ChatGPT, but specifically for your WordPress website when you're trying to write content. So there's selectable writing tones and then it can generate titles, summaries, translate content, spelling and grammar, all that stuff. Apparently it's going to be $10 a month. So it's not free, but it's cheaper than if you were paying for the pro version of ChatGPT. So, Brandon, what's ChatGPT want us to talk about? This news story that it gave us to talk about.

Brandon [00:11:35]:

So what ways can content creators, even people writing for SEO purposes, use this new tool?

Jordan [00:11:42]:

What's your take? You go first.

Brandon [00:11:46]:

It's funny, because the first thing that came to my mind was other tools they should use instead. Probably right off the bat, just because I haven't used this yet. Like we already know, ChatGPT is proven, we've personally mentioned it before. We use Jasper as another writing tool, more so for pure writing purposes and not research or fact checking purposes.

If ChatGPT is free, why am I going to pay the $10 just yet? It could have good integrations and that's maybe where I could see you leveraging. This is like one stop shop. You're already in WordPress. If you use the WordPress editor and builder, then why not? So I guess that's how they can leverage it maybe it's like people that go to the Apple ecosystem because it's all connected, it's the same thing. So that's maybe the only benefit. I see. I'd have to test it first, but I don't know if you've heard of this or your thoughts on it.

Jordan [00:12:40]:

No, I think it was just announced literally hours ago, so there's not even a lot of information out about it. I actually had to fact check ChatGPT on this one because Brandon, we use WordPress pretty consistently and I'm like, I haven't heard about this, but ChatGPT knew about it before I did. But, yeah, there's not a lot of information out about it. I guess one thing that will, I guess, swing me one way or the other is what will it be using? Will it be using what's called GPT 3.5 or will it be using GPT four?

So if you haven't used ChatGPT before, the difference between those two, it's like night and day. So if you're a free user on ChatGPT, and a lot of the other programs that use OpenAI's GPT interface use ChatGPT 3.5. So for the everyday person out there, it's the difference between think of your knowledge as a fifth grader versus your knowledge after you finish graduate school. That's the difference between ChatGPT 3.5 and GPT four. So it's night and day. So I guess it depends on if you're getting ChatGPT four for $10 a month, then maybe I might look at it, but otherwise I'd say, yeah, probably a waste.

Brandon [00:13:58]:

Yeah, I agree.

Business Insider's 10 roles that AI will replace

Jordan [00:14:01]:

So, as a reminder, if you're tuning in live, got a bunch of comments coming on, but if you want us to talk about something, give us something for ChatGPT, we'll plug it in and we'll get it here on the last half of the show. So let's skip to the thing I really wanted to get to. Brandon.

So a new Business Insider article today came out with the ten roles they say are most likely to be at risk because of AI. So this story today referenced a kind of recent Goldman Sachs survey that said that AI tools could impact 300 million full time jobs worldwide and could lead to significant disruption in the job market. 300 million jobs worldwide is a lot of jobs.

Brandon [00:14:52]:

That's ridiculous.

Jordan [00:14:53]:

Yeah, it's crazy. So, anyways, Brandon, what does ChatGPT want to know about this news story that it gave us?

Is ChatGPT the future of the workplace?

Brandon [00:15:02]:

So the question for ChatGPT is, is ChatGPT the future of the workforce? Like, this is kind of predicting or is it just a tool to enhance the current jobs and their productivity?

Jordan [00:15:16]:

Yeah, sorry, this is still just funny thinking that ChatGPT wrote these news stories for us and is asking us questions about itself. Anyways, is ChatGPT the future of the workplace? I don't know. What do you all think? If you're on the live show, let us know what you think. Is ChatGPT the future of the workplace or just a tool to enhance productivity? I don't know.

I think it depends on where development goes in the coming months. I think what happens in the next couple of months is really going to signal how AI in general, not just the kind of GPT writing technology, I think it's going to signal how it's used in the coming years. And what I mean by that, I think we're still just getting off of the initial wave, right? So ChatGPT essentially came out in December, came out like the last two days of November. So it's only been out now a full six and a half months.

So it is still a relatively new technology and I think it even took a while, probably until this spring, for the everyday person to start integrating it into their workflow. So I think it's a matter of time for especially small and medium sized businesses until they figure out how to integrate it properly into their day to day workflow. And then at that point, I think then that's when we're going to start to potentially see what this Goldman Sachs study is talking about, like impacting up to 300 million full time jobs worldwide. Brandon, what's your take?

Brandon [00:17:03]:

I think this to me is like the summary and the center of the biggest conversation around AI. And I think this is where a lot of fear kicks in. And I think there's two parts for me. One is how do we as humans and the everyday person decide to go about this? If we kind of the people that maybe stay complacent and they're like, oh, I don't want to touch this thing, I don't know what it is we need.

The true human connectivity is a big argument. I think they're going to be actually the ones that could potentially push it towards that route. Because if nobody's learning it, you know, the people at the top, the CEOs, the people making the decisions, they're going to be like, all right, well, if no one's learning this thing, then I'm just going to figure out how to do it myself and implement it. Where the jobs and the companies that are actually approaching this the right way, they're going to be the ones to try to figure out how they can implement it properly with their team.

And we've already had many people on the show talking about how they work with the team to figure out what ways can we implement AI. Those are going to be the ones that will understand that they're going to get better results and better content, better everything, versus the ones that just try to replace it straight up. They're not going to get what they need. And it might take a while for that to happen and people to realize that. But I could see maybe this initial wave of straight up replacement if it's not approached properly universally, and then people are going to realize it's not good. So that's kind of my take.

Companies crashed surfing the GPT wave

Jordan [00:18:30]:

Yeah, I think that's a great take. And to build on that and sayeda, we're going to get to your kind of comment here in just a second. To build on that. I think a lot of companies who tried to integrate GPT or any other AI tools early on were just trying to ride the wave, right? Like, if you've ever been surfing. I tried once. My wife and I went to Costa Rica many years ago, and surfing is, like, difficult if you've never done it. You have to wait for the wave and then you have to catch it and it's so hard. Right.

So I think that's kind of like what companies are doing. They saw this giant ChatGPT wave and they tried to ride it, but they weren't prepared. They weren't actual surfers. They just saw other people riding the wave and they're like, let me get in on this, too. And so what happened is so many businesses or just individuals trying to use this technology early on, they crashed. They crashed because they didn't know how to surf the wave. Right?

So I think so many companies are now probably hesitant and they think that AI or ChatGPT or whatever isn't really good because they tried it once, they didn't really know what they were doing. Or maybe they just try to copy and paste what someone else is doing and they're like, oh, no, this technology is garbage. Like, look, but if you don't know how to ride the wave, you can't be a surfer.

So that was a weird analogy, but that's kind of the way I think about it. So say your question. So saying yes, it is. Talking about AI in the workplace, many things will get replaced with it, especially data entry, entry level work, and then also saying we all have to embrace AI to make our workspace compatible.

So, speaking of that yeah, in this Business Insider article, we will link it in the daily newsletter that we send out. So go to YourEveryday.com, sign up for that. So they did reference some of the most common jobs. I'm not going to go through them all, but some of them are tech jobs, coder, computer programmer, media jobs, content creation, the legal industry, paralegal, legal assistants, teachers, finance jobs, traders, accountants. So we'll list them all. But yeah. Brandon, do you think some of those professions there are at risk?

Brandon [00:20:55]:

Yes. So I think both of these comments that we just pulled up work in tangent. So the first part, like Sayetta, said, yes, technically speaking, I agree, some of those jobs will go away. But to this comment that we're seeing here from Lillian, you're going to figure out how to integrate that. And I think your current role or job will be adapted to something else. So maybe your job isn't called a data analyst anymore, but maybe it's like a data supervisor or something like that.

And even though you're not the one pulling the data yourself, you're not doing that specific task, you still are going to have to be able to make sense of it or figure it out, be able to talk to... okay, well, as I'm saying this, there are ways you could technically have a recording explain everything to you.

But my point is that you're going to need that human element to be able to apply it to the right piece. Who's putting in the prompt, who's figuring out what the prompt should be? Who's giving the background knowledge? Like we said, our method of priming beforehand? Who's doing that? And so this is exactly what I agree with this comment of we're going to need those people still. It's just going to change the way you see your role.

AI monitoring may not need humans soon

Jordan [00:22:05]:

Yeah. So Lillian's comment, if you're listening on the podcast, she said if it were to be integrated in the office, it will always have to have a human to monitor AI edit and proofread. I think that's a common point and it's super valid, but I'm sorry, Brandon and Lillian, I'm going to go on the opposite side and say I don't think you're going to need humans for it pretty soon. Right.

The technology is not there yet. However, we've even been experimenting with this internally. If we're using ChatGPT for a project, we will use another program like maybe Bingchat or Google Bard to check its work. Right? Because if you check its work with the same technology, of course it's going to say, yeah, I'm right. But if you check it with another technology, you'd be surprised. It's actually using other AIS is actually a somewhat effective way to use that normal human role of monitoring.

Also, there is newer technology. That technology is not great yet, but something called agents. So some of the more popular ones that people maybe have heard of, something called auto GPT, baby GPT. So we'll save what that is for another show. But essentially they're little agents that you can assign roles. So you can have like, a ChatGPT as an example, do your research, and then you can assign multiple agents to act as a role. You can prime them with information. So let's say a legal analyst. So you could assign other agents different roles to essentially fact check or to dig in or to find holes of what your first kind of GPT uncovered or created. So that's wild. It's probably a while out, but just wanted to offer that out.

Brandon [00:24:03]:

Yeah. I would say I can see it from like an editing perspective. I just think from a whole, you still need certain human elements to operate a business, like even letting ChatGPT know what we need from it. I just think that that's how your role would adapt, but it could mean less people.

Jordan [00:24:22]:

Yeah, I think that's ultimately what it is. So even kind of what we were just referencing. Data collection, right? Yes, you will still probably need a human to tell the GPT or AI, here's the data, here's what we need. But, yeah, it is probably not talking total elimination, but definitely I think we're going to see some downsizing, some crazy downsizing. I don't know if it's going to be 300 million, like the Business Insider article talked about with that Goldman Sachs study. I don't know if it's going to be 300 million, but I think it's going to be a lot fewer because let's look at a data team, right? Like, if there's 20 people on the average data team, and once they realize and figure out how to effectively leverage AI, yeah, you're still going to need humans, but how many are you going to need, right? Two?

Brandon [00:25:19]:


Jordan [00:25:19]:


Brandon [00:25:20]:

I agree.

Jordan [00:25:20]:

I don't know. All right, Brandon, what's your hot take? Did ChatGPT do a good job at this show? Are we still going to be or is it going to be our avatars doing this in a couple of months?

Brandon [00:25:33]:

I don't know. I think ChatGPT did a good job. I mean, these were some big questions, gave a great conversation, we had a lot of people commenting on it. So I think it did a good job. Maybe we should just hand it off.

Jordan [00:25:46]:

To the avatars, maybe. Yeah, let's just train the avatars, pump in some human emotion and see if they can take it from here. So, yeah, this is interesting. So, yeah, Brandon and I were talking and we were texting. We were just like, let's just have we didn't have a guest schedule, so we're like, let's just see if ChatGPT can run the show today.

So I think it did a pretty good job. So if you know how to use it, because obviously, as an example, in the free version of ChatGPT, you can't get recent news. So you have to really know how to use all of this technology. So we had to use the pro version of ChatGPT and we had to enable some certain plugins. So, yeah, you still have to have a human who knows what they're doing on the front end.

So, speaking of that, of knowing how to use ChatGPT correctly, tom, thank you for the comment saying he loved the combo former guest. So, speaking of that, like I said, if you're still listening, that means you're a loyal listener. If you stuck it out to the end, drop us an email info@youreverydayai.com. Also go to that website, sign up for our daily newsletter. We put a lot of work into that to make sure that you can just spend five minutes a day and read about everything that's going on in the AI space. Brandon, thanks for jumping on today and playing the role of ChatGPT's dictator. I guess ChatGPT couldn't speak, so human role was definitely.

Brandon [00:27:08]:

Maybe next time it'll be speaking.

Jordan [00:27:10]:

All right. Brandon, you have to say who wrote the intro? Me or ChatGPT.

Brandon [00:27:14]:

Oh, the intro was written by ChatGPT.

Jordan [00:27:19]:

You're right. It was ChatGPT. All right. Well, please thank you for tuning in. Join us tomorrow and every day on everyday. I will be the host. We aren't letting Chat GP take over just yet. So thanks for joining us and we hope to see you tomorrow and every day, everyday. AI.

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