Ep 88: Back To School: The Students vs. Teachers and ChatGPT Dilemma


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The integration of AI into our daily lives is becoming increasingly prevalent. From automating routine tasks to enhancing decision-making processes, AI holds tremendous potential to shape various sectors, including education and business. In this article, we will explore the role of AI in schools and organizations, focusing on the opportunities it presents, as well as the challenges that need to be addressed.

AI Enhancing Learning Experiences:

Traditional educational approaches face numerous challenges in meeting the diverse needs of learners. Fortunately, AI presents a game-changing solution. By harnessing AI technologies such as natural language processing and machine learning, educators can tailor teaching methods to individual students, providing personalized learning experiences that support their unique strengths and weaknesses. AI-powered educational platforms can dynamically adapt content, pacing, and assessments, ensuring maximum engagement and understanding for every student.

Automating Administrative Tasks:

Educational institutions often struggle with laborious administrative tasks, reducing the time educators can devote to teaching and mentoring. AI can alleviate this burden by automating repetitive administrative duties, such as grading assignments and managing student records. By streamlining these processes, teachers can focus more on personalized instruction, fostering critical thinking and creativity among their students.

AI as a Writing Tool:

Traditionally, writing papers has been a fundamental part of the education system. However, today's students face dilemmas when it comes to authenticity and originality in their work. AI tools can assist both students and educators in promoting academic integrity. With the help of advanced language models, students can receive suggestions for improving their writing skills, enhancing their creativity, and avoiding plagiarism. Meanwhile, educators can leverage AI detectors to ensure the authenticity of student work, providing accurate assessments while saving time.

The AI Education Challenge:

While the integration of AI in education brings countless benefits, it also presents unique challenges. AI technologies constantly evolve, requiring educators to stay updated and adapt their teaching methods accordingly. Moreover, ethical considerations surrounding privacy, data protection, and algorithmic biases demand careful scrutiny. Business leaders and decision-makers must actively engage in discussions to shape policies and practices that foster responsible and inclusive AI use in education.

Moving Forward:

As we embrace the digital future, AI in education represents a transformative force that can empower individuals and communities. As a business owner or decision maker, it is essential to embrace this paradigm shift and invest in AI-enabled educational initiatives. By providing your workforce with up-to-date AI-infused learning opportunities, you can cultivate a culture of continuous learning, innovation, and adaptability within your organization.


AI has the potential to revolutionize education by creating personalized learning experiences, automating administrative tasks, and promoting academic integrity. As a business leader, understanding the possibilities and challenges of AI in education is vital for equipping your workforce with the skills necessary to thrive in the future. Let us embrace AI's potential, break barriers, and contribute to a future where education is truly personalized, inclusive, and transformative.

Topics Covered

- Importance of having a strategy in marketing
- Cohesive marketing strategy and brand voice
- Creating a single sentence brand voice that summarizes the company's mission
- Applying the brand voice consistently across all marketing channels
- Using AI to create and maintain a marketing strategy
- AI tools like ChatGPT for consistent messaging and content creation
- Connecting different pieces of content with AI to maintain consistency
- Using AI to generate authentic content
- Using a transcription tool like Descript as a basis for AI-generated writing
- A solid presentation as training for AI to create authentic content
- Importance of strategic marketing in light of rising ad costs and increased competition
- Lifetime customer value as the primary metric in the future
- Utilizing AI for running paid ads and experimenting with strategies
- Introduction to the speaker, Jordan Wilson, and the podcast "Everyday AI"
- News updates on AI developments
- Background and experience of the speaker in content and marketing
- Overview of the company and its offerings
- The need for a cohesive marketing approach and the consequences of siloed efforts
- Criticism of reliance on paid advertising and the importance of true marketing strategies
- Tips and best practices for training AI for desired output
- Starting a new chat each time to avoid confusion and hallucinations in AI responses
- Effective prompting and training stages for refining AI responses

Podcast Transcript

Jordan Wilson [00:00:18]:

Here in the US. We have an AI problem when it comes to schools and universities. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about that together on Everyday AI. This is your Daily Livestream podcast and free daily newsletter helping everyday people not just keep up with what's going on with AI, but how we can keep up and get ahead. Does that sound good? That's what we're here for. Like I said, my name is Jordan. This is everyday AI. We're going to be talking about what I think is a very important subject. And I'm coming with hot takes. One of our one of our frequent listeners always says that Dr. Rastavaghettas says he comes here for the hot tea, but it's going to be very hot today. So before we get into that, let's do what we always do. Let's go over first what's going on in AI news so we can all keep up with it. So first, Meta, Facebook parent company, they've launched their Code Llama, covered this in the newsletter yesterday, but didn't get a chance to talk about it. So this is their new AI code tool. So it's interesting, Meta has really low key, been making big noise with all of the different models that they're releasing. So the new Code Llama, there's plenty of other AI coding tools out there that have really been used very widely over the last almost year. So GitHub has Copilot OpenAI? Obviously has their code interpreter AWS. Amazon Web Services has Code Whisperer. Google will be releasing alpha code here pretty soon. So what is the future of coding? I don't know. We're going to talk about that more. But Meta big news today with Code Llama. Next, some new updates to Alibaba's AI chatbots. They aren't just for shopping. All right, so the shopping giant kind of arrival to Amazon in some ways. So Alibaba just updated their AI chatgpt so it can understand images and have more complex conversations. So what do you think that means for a shopping assistant, an AI shopping assistant that you can give it images and have in depth conversations? Well, I think it's going to mean they're going to sell more products if nothing else. All right, last piece of news before we get into this debate on AI in schools. So some big names, some of the biggest names in the world are investing in an open source platform probably very few of our audience have heard about. So hugging face. Hugging Face is essentially it's a large, probably the largest open source community where people can go and build, train, and really just deploy different models based on open source technology, open source AI technology. But check this lineup of companies that just invested in this platform. Hugging face ready. Nvidia, Amazon, Google, intel, AMD, IBM salesforce, right to the tune of 235,000,000. Pretty nice little round there for hugging face here's. Hey. Top take Friday? Apparently. Who's not on that list, right? Meta, Facebook, right? I think Meta has been the leader, I'd say, in getting out open source tools. Big difference between open source and everyone else, right? Open source is you can essentially go build on it, fork it, do whatever you want with the code, essentially. But Meta is really the biggest name out there that's really investing in open source. So this just shows me all of these other companies that are not creating open source but have their own Google, Amazon, they all have their own kind of models, large language models, but they're putting money into hugging face. So interesting to see. All right, thank you for all those joining us live. Like I said, already shouted them out, but Dr. Rastafa, we have plenty of hot tea for you this morning. Monica saying good morning to the daily, everyday AI crew. That's right, we have a good group joining us every day. Love to learn together. You know what, if you're listening on the podcast, first of all, thank you. But every day in the show notes, check it out. We leave a ton of other resources that you can just click after or during the show, but we always leave a link back to a thread on LinkedIn so you can come in here and you can comment. I'll answer your comments. A lot of times I'm shouting other people out. If you hear something you agree with or don't agree with, you can always come and comment. Sound off. This is the place for it. A lot of other people joining us. Thank you. Woozy Rogers. Good morning. Happy Friday. Michael, thank you for joining us. Good morning. Dr. Muthana. Happy Friday. Yeah, hugging face, weird name, right? Henry. Best regards from Zurich. Thank you. All right, Samuel. Meta's great. Yeah. But let's talk, let's talk, y'all, AI in schools. There's a lot going share. I'm going to share first. I'm going to share a couple of recent headlines, all right, before we get into this, because I want you to know, why are we talking about this now and what are other people saying before I give you my hot takes, but I want to know yours, right, if you're joining us live right now. Like Cecilia getting her morning cup of AI from Chicago, or Jackie joining us. Happy Friday. Oh, Jackie, I'm going to be interested in your thoughts working in education in universities, but let me know right now if you're joining us live. Leave me a comment. What do you think? Is AI going to destroy the education system? Is it going to help it? Is it going to rescue it? Is it going to change education completely? I want to know your thoughts. I want to know your takes. All right? So you know what? I'm going to do. I'm actually going to start first with my hot takes. Then I'm going to show you a couple of news stories and we're going to go over it. Here's my hot take. Almost every student, especially in college, is using Chat GPT to write their papers. Fact, right? There are studies that say otherwise. But college kids, if you ask a college kid, hey, are you cheating? They're going to say no. They are, trust me. Almost every single student is using Chat GPT. Not just college. I'm sure a lot of high schoolers are as well. I know for a fact they are. But almost every single college student is. They're not telling their teachers, their professors, but they are, period. That's fact one. Fact two AI detectors. This is the thing, right? A lot of companies came out and they said, hey, in targeting education systems, they said, copy upload your students paper or writing, and we'll be able to detect if this was written by AI. Those don't work. Those don't work. We've shared that on the story or on the everyday AI show before. Something like a 22% accuracy, which means it's worse than flipping a coin. It's just bad, right? There's a reason OpenAI originally, so the parent company of Chat GPT, they originally had an AI detector and they shut it down because they were like, yeah, it doesn't work. It's funny, I saw these things pop up like a year ago and I laughed and I'm like, no, that's not how large language models work. Our team took out every single one that was publicly available. Free tools, paid tools. We busted them all within minutes, right? Those don't work. That's fact. What was that? Fact two? Fact three, you can't ask Chat GPT what was generated by Chat GPT. You actually had professors doing that and failing students because they said, hey, I took your paper. I uploaded all of the classes papers into Chat GPT, and Chat GPT told me which ones were generated by Chat GPT. That's not how it works. It's not how a large language model works. All right? So let me recap some of my hot takes. All students are using Chat GPT to write their papers. These AI content detectors are not accurate at all and should not be used by any teachers or public institutions, ever. And number or, you know, the large language models, google, Bard, whatever, they can't tell you if something was used for Chat GBT. It's not how it works. All right? So those are some of my hot takes. It's so hot that I need to take a sip of coffee. All right? Now let's talk about the discussion around this and why we're talking about it now. Well, you probably know why we're talking about it now. It's back to school time, right? Students either started back this week or they're starting back Monday. But the overwhelming majority of college students are going back to school. All right? So let's take a look at what it's really been dominating the headlines. So let's take a look. I'm going to share my screen here. I'm going to show a couple of recent news articles. Don't worry if you're listening on the podcast. I'm going to do my best to kind of highlight what they're talking about. So, pretty big one. We shared about this in the newsletter, but from The New York Times saying, despite cheating fears schools repeal chat GPT plans. So saying some districts that once raced to block AI chat bots are now trying to embrace them. All right. So pretty interesting story from the New York Times. Again, there was such a misunderstanding of AI when it first came out that schools, again, you had these companies saying, hey, ban chat GPT and here, buy our software, buy our enterprise software. They were really smoothing the administrators to get them to buy this very expensive software because they said, this will save your school system. Right? So initially, universities, high schools, everyone banned chat GPT or large language models, and they said not a chance. Right? And then finally smart schools started to realize after a couple of semesters, oh, that doesn't work. It's giving us false positives, false negatives. This technology just doesn't work. So now schools this summer, this week, this month, are being like, oh, we got to figure this out. Banning chat GBT and other AI models is like telling a student they can't read an encyclopedia, or it's like telling a student they can't use the internet. That is the future of getting information is AI chat. Let's actually go there too. Google, right? Google is getting rid of old traditional Google search, and they're rolling out the search generative experience. I think SGE is the name. So you're going to search the internet like a chatgpt, right? Same thing. Microsoft, Bing, they are rolling out AI generated search. So the future of getting all information is generative AI. It is AIpowered search. Okay? So if you try to ban these in schools, you are literally taking away probably one of the most important and highly sought after skill sets that students need coming out of school to get a job, right? Everyone wants prompt engineers and they want proficiency in gen AI tools. Okay? Schools, you want to ban gen AI tools, good luck having your students get jobs. They won't all schools. I'm going off the rails here because I'm passionate about it. All schools should be teaching, literally teaching. I've developed a twelve week course. Holler at me, I'll send you details. Schools should be teaching this top to bottom. Intro to Gen AI, right? It should be a required course at every single university. Like you have Intro to College or whatever those courses are that teach you how to I don't know. What do those courses teach you? How to eat ramen and stay awake in class? I don't know. There should be a literal course that shows you gen AI. Here's what a large language model is. Here's what AI is here's what AI image generators are. Here's how they work. Here's how to work with a large language model. Here's what prompting is. Here's how to properly prompt. Here's how to access the internet. Here's how to make sure large language models don't lie, right? Those are essential skills that students need. But instead, universities have been running from gen AI because they don't know how to deal with it. All right, let's look at a couple more of these stories, all right? Because I want you to know what's being talked out, talked about out there. All right? So this one from CNN Business saying schools are teaching chat GBT so students aren't left behind, right? So this is just more anecdotal, right? So you have a lot of now it's almost like school systems trying to save face and they're like, oh, no, we're doing fun things, don't. Yeah, we're doing great things with chat GPT. We're having students rewrite Shakespeare in the voice of Kanye West with chat GPT, right? That's not teaching students generative AI. All right, here's another story here and we'll share more of these. So, chat GPT and school instruction navigating between evolution and caution, right? So this, as an example, is talking about the Philadelphia School District is limiting the use of AI software for students until they learn more about it, right? And then last but not least, another one from the New York Times, how schools can survive and maybe even thrive with AI this fall. And you'll see here I like this. New York Times step one. They said assume all students are going to use the technology. Yeah, they are. All right, I want to toss this up. I want to get some of your thoughts. I want to get some of your comments before I start to slowly wrap this up. All right? So Jackie says I get the challenges. People think AI is going to make humans dumb. I think it leaves room for elevated thought saying students in college can't write when they get to college, it will help them. Absolutely. That's a good thought. I like that. A little more on this. I'm going to play devil's advocate here, that people think AI is going to make humans dumb. It does leave room for elevated thought, I agree. However, I've talked to students that have been using chat GPT exclusively and they tell me I forgot how to write. They forget how to write. And here's the other thing, students, you're not doing a very good job using chat GBT anyways and trying to pass it off. I'm just going to say that you're not doing a very good job. You're not putting work into actually learning a large language model and how to prompt. You're doing the bare minimum. Students, I'm calling you out, right? If you're going to use chat GPT to write your essays. At least do it the right way. Do it in a way where you're learning how to use a large language model. Do it in a way where you are building a skill set that will help you get a job. I say don't take shortcuts. Using chat GBT to write your papers is a shortcut. But do it in a way where you are also learning, where you are going back and forth with the output, where you are building up skills. Don't just say, hey, write a 2000 word paper on whatever you're writing about. Now, what are students writing about? The industrial revolution? Is that still something we write about? All right, here we go. Woozy. Here we go. This is why I'm here. He says destroy. He's not entirely convinced. So thanks for the comment. Woozy. That it's a bad thing because our education system isn't the greatest. Woozy saying I just know personally I've been able to learn topics quicker using AI. Yes. Now that I was able to learn topics I was going to college for. That's a great point. And that's one of the topics that I wanted to make. Instead of schools learning how to use AI and teaching it, they're just trying to be innovative and say, oh yeah, we're going to allow it. Sure. Most schools don't know what they're doing. They don't, right? There is such a huge divide right now, I think, between and we've had professors on the show, we've had people talking about AI in education and we've had students on the show talking about AI as well. There is such a divide with the pace at which schools are trying to integrate this into their curriculum. I think the problem is there's too much bureaucracy at universities here in the US. Right? To get new curriculum approved, it can take months or more than a year. Guess what, schools, by that time, your chat GPT or mid journey or runway like whatever you're trying to teach, it's going to be all outdated. Universities need to innovate, they need to be quick, and they need to get ahead of the curve. Because right now, students are ahead. Universities are behind. And that's a problem for our US education system. Right? Students have been using chat GPT since it came out and schools have been scrambling to keep up and making, if I'm being honest, making bad decisions. There was such a rush to just ban all generative AI, right? In some schools, still entire school districts, if you're talking cities, I just gave the example for Philadelphia. There universities, huge universities are still banning the use of generative AI, which I'm sorry, parents, right? If you're a parent out there, let's break it down like this. The skill set right now that is in highest demand on the job market are things like prompt engineers, right? Workplaces workforces want experience with generative AI. They want people who can prompt. They want people who can write code with AI. If all of these tools are banned by the universities parents, how are your kids going to get a job? Right? If I had a child right now that was going into college, the first thing I would be looking at is, how are they using generative AI? Because if they're banning it and not teaching it, I'm sorry, I wouldn't expect my kid in four years to get a job that's worth anything, right? I can't emphasize this enough. Universities, you know what, parents, send this episode to your teachers. Tag them in the comments. The newsletter we put together, send it to them. If you work in a university, send this episode to your colleagues. Because I know we're already like 20 plus minutes into this rant, but I'm going to rant a little bit more. Universities, you are going to get left behind if you do not integrate generative AI at a very high level this year. Period. Right? I don't want to get all doomsdayer and the economy and the workforce, but we've had someone on the show before, very smart guy, Corey Warfield. He said, hey, companies. Companies have 18 months. And if you can't figure out and implement generative AI in every aspect of your business, in 18 months, your business is likely to fail. All right, I agree. 18 months, okay. Universities, you can't even get generative AI onto your like, there should be multiple generative AI platforms. You can't even get that done in a know. Universities should have already had fully fledged gen AI programs. It is a language, right? Not teaching our students generative AI is like them coming out of school and not knowing how to Google something. It's like them not knowing how to type on a keyboard. It's like them not knowing what social media is. Right? These are literal foundational skill sets that are going to make our future generations employable. All right, we're going to end with that. I could throw up every single comment. I'm going to get to the comments afterwards. Don't worry. I appreciate all of your inputs. This ended up as one of those shows where I kind of just gave you some hot takes, right? Because I think it's sometimes important. A lot of times here on everyday AI, we go kind of middle of the road, right? Which I think is important. We present you the facts, we bring on experts. You ask questions, we give you answers, right? Today's, not like that. I will take this question. Veena. Thank you. So Veena's saying, I absolutely agree they should learn AI, but how do you suggest to stop plagiarism in homework and students getting away with it? Here's the thing. Thank you. And this is important for students to hear, for university heads to hear, for parents to hear, for everyone. Students are always going to outsmart the teachers, the education system, whatever mechanisms you have in place to quote unquote, stop cheating in the age of AI. I was going to show this on the screen, but I'll talk about it, right? Because let's quickly talk about some of the proposed solutions. They say, okay, well, everything can be handwritten, right? Sure, everything can be handwritten. But in theory, you can just use chat GPT and then write it out, right. Or they say, okay, well, we can have handwriting in class. Right? All right, sure. That's one way is if you're going to write papers or do homework, make it all do in class. Sure. But I think so much of learning happens outside of the classroom because you have to be able to process things independently outside of when you have access to a teacher. That's what learning is. Otherwise, you're literally just like repeating what someone says, right? So, yeah, that's one way. Make all work classroom work handwritten. I think personally, I would require generative AI use for everything. Right? I would require it, but I would say you also have to in person. Then the way I would use classroom time is my students, whether it allows for 1 minute or ten minutes. But my students would present whatever you're learning about. Here's how I use generative AI, and here is it in my own words, not reading off a paper. Hey, look up at me and tell me what you learned and tell me how you use generative AI to get there. Right. So I do think that we're going to see a shift toward that. I think the innovative classrooms have already started to do it, but most haven't. But I think you're going to get back to more old school presentation, more old school conversation, right? I'm going to sit down with you one on one, and I'm going to ask you, what did you learn? Answer this question. You and me, right? That's the future. Because that's also a skill set. That's a skill set. Being able to talk now is such an important aspect, I think, because generative AI, it makes language a little less valuable, written copy, less valuable images. Right. Anyone now can create beautiful dozens of AI images or videos. I think the value of certain mediums written words, photos, designs, videos, presentations, because it is easier and easier to create that at high quality. I think as consumers, our brains are going to start to devalue what we used to very much value. And I think something that's going to be valued in the future is presentation. Me talking to you, a student talking to the class, group presentations, right? Going old school. But yeah, in terms of how can we see if they're plagiarizing or not? Students are always going to be a step ahead. There's no program that can tell you. You can say like, oh, take a writing sample in person, and then there's softwares. Again, people are selling schools on this. Then there are softwares. Right. So, first day of class, everyone handwrite something about whatever class that is history. So you write what you know, and then you upload that into this software. And then every single thing you turn in, it's still written. You type it up, but it's going to go against your baseline, right? Schools are literally investing hundreds of thousands of dollars into software systems that do just that. Guess what? You can break it in 10 seconds. You train Chat GPT, you take your talk, you take recordings, dump them in, have Chat GPT mimic your voice, your style, your writing, the words. You use everything. And there you go. Busted, right? So schools stop trying. I don't care. Like, students will always be a step ahead of you because there's more of them and they're using this technology more than the people making the rules. They will always win. So, university educators, you have to get smart. You have to immediately. If you don't have it in for this semester, get it in. Get Generative AI education in. Reach out to me. You know what? I've offered this, right? I can't do it for everyone. But I'll do a guest lecture, right, for your university. I'll do five, right? I don't know if a couple of people have already reached out to me about this. I'll do five. I'll go top to bottom, gen AI. Have me sub in for your university class. I don't care if it's a marketing class. General studies don't care. I'll do five. Let me know in the comments here. If you're listening on the podcast, email me. I will sit down and teach your students top to bottom, the basics of Gen AI. I'm not a PhD or anything. I have a master's degree, I guess. But I've helped hundreds of thousands of people on this show learn Gen AI. I will help your students. Closing thoughts. I know I said I'd close this out five minutes ago. I'm going to wrap this up. This has been all over the place. Number one, almost all students are using Chat GPT to write papers. And they will continue to, regardless schools, regardless of what rules you put in place. Number two, AI content detectors do not work. If your school district or your university is using them, stop. They don't work. It is setting up not just your students to fail, but it is setting up your system to fail as well. Number three. You can't ask AI or chat GPT what was written by AI or chat GBT? You can't do that. And we'll say, number four, start teaching Generative AI in every aspect of your curriculum. It is more important for students to learn Generative AI than any other skill set right now, because that is what employers want. We have to properly equip the next generation to not just learn and to be employable, but to move our economy forward. It's on you all. Thanks for joining us for this Hot Take episode. Hope to see you back again on everyday AI thanks, y'all.

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