Ep 538: 50% Jobs Gone due to AI? Anthropic CEO’s Explosive AI Job Warning

Topics Covered in This Episode:

1. Anthropic CEO's AI Job Loss Warning
2. AI Impact on White Collar Roles
3. AI Companies' Job Displacement Tax Proposal
4. Anthropic's Claude 4 Model Discussion
5. Understanding Agentic AI and Job Impact
6. Wall Street's AI Buzzword Influence
7. Media's Role in AI Job Apocalypse
8. Government's AI Regulation Challenges
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Keywords:

Dario Modi, Anthropic CEO, AI job loss, Entry level white collar jobs, AI companies taxed, AI systems impact, Government regulation and AI, AI technology producers, AI job displacement crisis, AI-driven efficiency improvements, AI reshaping industry dynamics, AI job apocalypse, AI unemployment rate prediction, Knowledge worker disruption, Large language models, AI autonomy, AI reasoning, Agentic AI systems, AI-driven transformations, AI-model reasoning, AI-augmented jobs, AI automation, AI workforce reduction, Corporate greed and AI, AI regulatory policies, AI token tax, AI and economic impact, AI and workforce change, AI driven societal change.

Podcast Transcript

Jordan Wilson [00:00:16]:
Anthropic CEO Dario Modi says that within one to five years, up to 50% of entry level white collar jobs could be gone because of AI. 50%. That's asinine. And he's saying that AI companies such as his anthropic should be taxed for it. And that the government and businesses need to do something about the AI systems that anthropic and others are creating. So is he right? Is that actually gonna happen or is he just trying to preemptively paint himself as a martyr while sounding a proverbial alarm in placing the AI job loss, blame to other AI CEOs who aren't following his lead. Well, we're going to be answering those questions and a lot more today on everyday AI. What's going on y'all? My name is Jordan Wilson, and welcome to everyday AI.

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Jordan Wilson [00:02:25]:
Not doing that one, today. So make sure if you do want the daily news, go check the newsletter. Alright. So what the heck is this all about? Why did the anthropic CEO say that up to 50% of entry level white collar jobs are gonna poof be gone because of AI? What what the heck is this all about? Well, it's the return of of hot take Tuesday. Right? So live stream audience. Let me know. Should I take it easy? Right? Show me show me with, the flame emoji, in the, in, in the comments, should I one take it kind of easy? Should I two flame emojis bring a little spice three? Are you here for the hot take four? Should I burn this thing down? All right. I've got takes as I sometimes do.

Jordan Wilson [00:03:25]:
So let me know. I'm going to take a sip gear up. I want to hear what you all have to say and live stream audience. Thanks for joining us as always. Yeah. If you're on the podcast, we do this thing live 07:30AM Central Standard Time. So come join us, hang out, leave some comments, ask questions. So, yeah, let me know.

Jordan Wilson [00:03:44]:
Should we really heat it up on this hot take Tuesday or keep it keep it easy? All right. Let me start here. There's a lot of truth to what Dario Monte is saying. In fact, I've been saying pretty much the same thing for years. Right? So if you literally go back to the very first episode of Everyday AI back in April 2023, yeah, it's a little cringe, but I essentially, without giving, specifics, because I wasn't about to, you know, look into a crystal ball, but I said, will AI take your job? Probably. That's how I started off the everyday AI show. So I just wanna put that on the record. I agree.

Jordan Wilson [00:04:31]:
I do think a very high percentage. I don't know if it's going to be 50% or not, but I believe a very high percentage of today's entry level white collar jobs Won't be here very long. Right? The anthropic CEO says one to five years. I wouldn't say that I would say it's probably about, three to six years. And I would say it's probably closer to 30%. Right? If I had to say, you you know, if if you were forcing me to, respond to his, predictions and give you mine, that's what I would say. So I'm not gonna say that those 30% of people aren't going to be with work. I do think the unemployment rate is going to go up significantly significantly, and I've been on the record saying that.

Jordan Wilson [00:05:18]:
Right? And anyone that tells you, hey. AI won't take your job. Someone using AI will. If anyone said that to you in good faith in the last, you know, six months, stop listening to that person. Right? If you're reading someone's newsletter or, you know, this is your, AI guru, go ahead and dump them, because that's that's wrong, and that's straight up just not smart. Alright. But I've been saying this for a long time. AI is going to take many more jobs than it will replace or or sorry.

Jordan Wilson [00:05:54]:
Than it will create. Because, yes, there will be millions of new jobs that we don't know exist. That's why, you know, when I look at that 50% to 30%, I think a lot of those jobs are just going to look a little different. Right, if we talk about entry level white collar jobs, you know, whether we're talking about accounting, finance, consulting, tech jobs, etcetera. I don't think they're going to up and up disappear. I think they're gonna look drastically different. I do think the total number of full time roles in those white collar entry level position are going to shrink, but I don't think that they're going to, be 50% vanishing overnight. But I've been saying this since day one.

Jordan Wilson [00:06:35]:
Y'all AI will take more full time jobs than it will create. Right? And anyone that tells you differently, ask what their motive is. Right? What's my motive in saying that? Well, I have a free podcast. I bring smart people on. You can, listen to them if you want to. You don't have to. Right? I don't have anything necessarily to financially gain by telling you that. I just wanna tell you the truth because I think there's so many, smoke and mirrors in in just the business world right now around AI.

Jordan Wilson [00:07:10]:
Right? People, I think you need to have a very realistic view, and that's, you know, as as someone that's spent, thousands of hours, talking about this, working on this, investigating, everything that's happening. You know, I've spoken to thousands literally of smart people in AI. I've interviewed hundreds of them on the show. Yeah. It is a net negative, but it's not 50%. Let's go there. Alright. And let's first look at exactly, what the anthropic CEO said.

Jordan Wilson [00:07:42]:
So he said half of entry level white collar jobs could disappear within five years. Alright. He didn't say they would. He said they could. I think a lot of people, you you know, are kind of blowing this out of proportion a little bit. But he did say that unemployment could spike to 10 to 20%, and this could affect a lot of different sectors such as finance, consulting, tech, and law. Right? And those if if I had to, pick categories, I would say Dario's actually head on. I would probably have picked three out of those, categories if I were picking the top five sectors that would be disrupted.

Jordan Wilson [00:08:20]:
It is going to be knowledge work, entry level knowledge work, positions that are generally high paying because companies just aren't going to want to continue to hire those when they figure out that these, AI systems that we're all able to use today are just as capable, right, as we are stepping in 2025 from the, kind of, quote, unquote, traditional large language models to models that can now reason, use logic, think ahead, and plan. Right? So we have the reasoning large language models, and now we have the ability for multiple agents to be using these models that can think and reason and solve problems like a human while using, your company's files. Right? So, there's a reason. I think it's kind of called coming to a culmination, right here in 2025. Also, Dario did say, and he claims that other AI executives share the same concerns as him privately, but no one else will speak about it publicly. And he's the only one brave enough to come out and say this. And he is calling for governments to stop sugarcoating the coming job displacement crisis. Right? A lot of people are calling this the, the AI jobs apocalypse.

Jordan Wilson [00:09:38]:
So you know, for context right now, the unemployment rate is 4.2%. So to think 20% that's astronomical, right? Take away the the COVID nineteen peak, where I believe it was at about 14%. You you know, we haven't seen anything like 20%, in our lifetimes. So Dario did mention entry level jobs and what kind of jobs you're probably thinking. Right? Aside from those sectors, but, you know, mainly jobs that involve, looking at documents, reading, researching, summarizing, brainstorming, creating reports. Right. And those things I talked about, that's probably the majority of what a lot of us do. Right.

Jordan Wilson [00:10:26]:
We read information online. We summarize it. We rewrite it. We use that information to brainstorm new solutions. Right. It's just if I'm being honest, it's not just entry level white collar jobs in those four sectors. It is a good chunk of knowledge workers in general that, today's and tomorrow's, more agentic AI systems are going to impact. So here's the hot take.

Jordan Wilson [00:10:56]:
Y'all want the hot take. This is more PR than an actual warning. Alright. Sorry. Dario Modi is not some, knight in shining armor coming in and saying, yes, tax us Tax the AI companies. Right. And, you know, hey. Let's sound the alarm.

Jordan Wilson [00:11:24]:
This technology we're building is gonna take away jobs. Right, doesn't deserve a medal for that. And I'll also, I don't think that is is you know, obviously, I can't judge what he's thinking. Right? But I don't know. Call me a skeptic, but these companies. Right? And, he's not alone, and you do have to tip your cap, to Dario Modi for being the one big tech CEO who's actively talking about this. So he's right in that regard. Right.

Jordan Wilson [00:12:01]:
But if you are working, if you are a c suite person at Anthropic, at Google, at OpenAI, at Mistral, at Meta, at any of these, you know, AI labs, you know exactly what future systems are capable of. And you know that they will very likely, especially here in The U S where there is little to zero regulation, around artificial intelligence, you know, that it is going to be extremely disruptive to the workforce. That's what, again, y'all I've been saying this for a very long time. I think people like to avoid hard conversations. I think people want to tiptoe or sidestep harsh realities, but the harsh reality is there's going to be millions, especially here in The U S there's going to be millions of people, probably tens of millions of people in five years that no longer have traditional full time employment that have traditional full time employment today. I've talked about this a lot. I think just the employment is going to change. I think that, you you know, in ten years, probably, you you know, if you look around, you you know, your circle of friends, you know, I would guess, you know, depending.

Jordan Wilson [00:13:22]:
Right? But, you know, if you are a knowledge worker, if you sit in front of your computer all day, I'm guessing if you look around, you know, 10 of your friends, probably almost everyone, if they're a working, person, they have desk jobs, right? Full time desk jobs. I think in ten years, half of those people aren't going to, not just because of AI displacement, but I think the nature of work is going to change. I've been saying this for a long time. I don't think full time employment is going to be viewed the same in ten years as it has been for many decades. I think many people will start owning many businesses, and it'll kind of like, you know, how, you know, task work, you know, whether you're saying, you know, Uber or, you know, Instacart. Right? Think of that for professional services for for for legal. Right? I think that's gonna be pretty common in ten years because of AI. Right? So I don't I don't think that what Dario Marri is saying here is a true warning.

Jordan Wilson [00:14:26]:
Right? I think this is actually just PR. Right. And I'm going to break down the timeline later, but it's kind of ironic, right? That, you know, he went on this, you know, short press tour, days after Anthropic released Claude four. Alright. It's my hot take and maybe Claude four wasn't getting the headlines. So a couple of days after, you know, Anthropic starts this, this press tour saying, hey. AI is so capable, that we need to talk about it taking half of white collar jobs. Oh, and by the way, look at this amazing model that we, just released that can work for up to seven hours on its own and can code better than humans.

Jordan Wilson [00:15:11]:
Oh, right. Y'all, I was in the media. I was in the media for, I don't know, what, seven or eight years? For seven or eight years of my career, it's it's so easy to, manipulate the headlines. Right? In this, if I'm being honest, right, this is what I see this as, Hey, I'm gonna come out and say something shocking. I'm gonna come out and say something, that the whole world has to pay attention to, because it is alarming. Right. But I'm going to come out and say, Hey, I'm the good guy here. Yeah.

Jordan Wilson [00:15:44]:
Go ahead and tax us. I'm giving you the, I'm giving you guys the warning. Right. But I'm the good guy here. Oh, and by the way, Claude four, we just dropped it. Oh, crazy, crazy coincidence. Right? If, if, if this was truly a moral and ethical, warning right to society, why not three months ago? Right. Or why not in three months? Why within a couple of days of your first ever big conference and your, you know, the the the clawed for models that, you know, the AI world has been waiting on.

Jordan Wilson [00:16:27]:
But I also think as much as anything, this is the media's fault. Right now you're seeing all these headlines, AI job apocalypse, but, you know, oh, looks like Anthropic's the good guy here. Right? They're giving us the warning. They're the only ones speaking out about it. He says you should tax the AI companies, right, to help, compensate, for this massive job loss. I'm not buying it. So why did he say he's speaking about this now? All right. So he says that other AI leaders haven't as much raised public alarms about job losses.

Jordan Wilson [00:17:02]:
He believes that lawmakers and ordinary peep people are unaware this is about to happen. I, a %, cosign that. He called this Dario called this a duty and obligation for himself as an AI technology producer to warn society. And he admits that these warnings that he's making are not in his best economic interest to make publicly. Right? And he's like, hey. Someone someone needs to say it, but, you know, he he kept saying these same lines. Right? I I listened to his interview on CNN, on Fox News, where, you know, he kinda said the same talking points over and over. Right? Hey.

Jordan Wilson [00:17:40]:
You know, there's there's six or seven other big tech companies and, you know, who are doing the same thing. And if if if we could stop today, but they would keep going, so we're gonna keep going. Right? Yeah. I get it. But he wants to, you know, he wants himself and anthropic to be the ones that are raising the alarms. Right? Why not three months ago? Why not two years ago? I've been saying this for multiple years. This is the, this is the only conclusion. This is the only conclusion, unless you don't believe in, in math, science, and data.

Jordan Wilson [00:18:19]:
There's there's no other conclusion that traditional full time employment gets blown up. Right? And, yeah, it's it's it's it's uneasy because we don't know what this is gonna look like in a couple of years. Right? I don't I I I try not to even talk a lot about, you know, AGI, artificial general intelligence, or ASI, artificial superintelligence, right, too much on this show because, I think the more you start talking about five to ten years down the line, the more difficult it becomes to make those needed personal and professional growth steps. Right? Because then at that point, uncertainty sets in and that's, that's not what I'm here trying to do. But the end as the end destination is there will be, tens of millions of fewer, full time jobs, right? Whether that's in five to ten years, but that's, that's the reality. All right. So let's talk a little bit more about this timeline. Funny, funny, right? Why sound the alarm now? Well, it's good press.

Jordan Wilson [00:19:28]:
Any presses, good press. And also if it bleeds, it leads. Right. So, anthropic someone over there and anthropic said, you know what? Let's go ahead and do this now, because then everyone's going to talk about Claude four, and then we're gonna, you know, they're just going to go ahead and, you know, talk a little bit about our code with Claude developer conference that just happened on May 23. But here's my take. The initial reaction was lukewarm to the new Claude four models. Right? It wasn't like with Google Gemini and their 2.5 pro it wasn't like open AI's recent announcements, their recent releases that really just grabbed the headlines and they're, you know, Google and open AI let's, let's be honest. They're running away.

Jordan Wilson [00:20:20]:
They're running away. I said this on the show last week, eighteen months ago, or maybe like four, even fourteen months ago, you could have made the argument that anthropic was maybe in the lead. I didn't think that button argument could be made, but I'd say it was solidified. They were a top three, probably top two right before Google, woke up and chose violence in December of twenty twenty four and has been on a complete rip ever since. Now anthropic is for me, for, for, let me say this. You wanted the hot takes, right? Anthropic is not for the everyday business leader. They're not even a top three AI chatbot company. Right? They've essentially said, yeah.

Jordan Wilson [00:21:17]:
We're not going down the the the AI chatbot route. We'll let, you know, OpenAI and Google and Microsoft and Mana and everyone else. We'll let everyone else do that. You know, we're gonna be we're gonna work on the API side. Right? Yes. Claude is great for software engineering, for coders, for developers, you you know, agentic tool use. Right? But they're like, yeah, we're not gonna do this whole general business, you know, chatbot. Was that a specific strategy? I'm I'm hoping.

Jordan Wilson [00:21:48]:
Right? But I think that they saw the reception to their Claude four and everyone, you know, Ben has been talking about Claude for, for a very long time. And, you know, everyone's like, ah, this is going to be AGI, right? This is, you know, Claude Ford is going to be the model, right? It's like there's a line in the sand. You either thought it was gonna be like GPT five or you thought it was gonna be quad four. And then when the world didn't suddenly change when quad four came out, oh, now it's time to sound the alarms. Right? So interesting. Right? Interesting that, you know, five or six day gap, between the product launch. And now all of a sudden, an anthropic CEO is making the media rounds, you know, trying to paint the picture of we're the good guy here, you know, or maybe the good guy in the sea of bad guys. Right? Depending on depending on how you wanna look at this.

Jordan Wilson [00:22:45]:
But in all of this media tour, of course, it gets mentioned that, oh, you know, Claude four. And when you're working with, Claude is a coding agent, it can go and work for almost seven hours straight. Right. I can almost guarantee and throbbing after this little media round has seen a ton, a ton of revenue come pouring in because now all of a sudden on mainstream media, which it's not easy, Right? It's not easy on the same day to go on CNN and Fox News. Right? We're not talking about, you know, MSNBC, which covers AI or, you know, more like tech, media. No. We're talking about the big nighttime news networks to get on CNN and Fox News is pretty big. And with a splashy headline like this, what I'm saying is they had traffic and new customers coming in droves because of this.

Jordan Wilson [00:23:44]:
And that had to have been part of the, of the plan. Right? I've been in, I've been in this world before. That's how it works. So let's talk a little bit about this kind of scale of AI disruption. Okay. And this is what, you know, kind of Dario's talking points here and has talking about, well, why is this AI gonna suddenly be so disruptive? Right? Whereas it's we've had these large language models for, you know, almost three years now, right, that have been publicly available as AI chatbots almost. Right? So why now? Well, talking about just the capabilities, they've improved. So he was saying, well, before, you know, maybe you were lucky if it was a high school student, right, or the level, but now it's a college level.

Jordan Wilson [00:24:38]:
Right? And that's why he's saying we're gonna see massive disruption, especially for entry level jobs. Right? You think, oh, entry level job is a college graduate. So if these AI systems that again are more than front facing chat bots, they are way more capable and robust. They can reason because they're, powered by these reasoning models. So they can think ahead. They can use your data. Right? So we have variations of rag or retrieval lock meta generation. Right? So essentially all of the downsides of AI chatbots, right? The context, the memory, not working with your company's data, you know, not really thinking something through like a human would not being able to go off and, you know, work autonomously.

Jordan Wilson [00:25:28]:
I'm not saying those things are solved, but those things in certain situations are kind of almost solved. And so that's why we're saying, Hey, now's the time. This is why disruption is upon us. And it is those white collar entry level positions that are most vulnerable, right? Here's here's the thing. Wall Street loves AI, right in Wall Street hates employees. So what we've seen happen over the last, you know, couple of years, big company in their earnings call, they say earnings are up. They drop AI buzzword, like salt, bay drops, salt on a stake, right? AI, AI, AI, AI, right? In their earnings calls. And, Hey, the more you say AI or now agentic AI or, you know, agents, AI agents, right? Say that more Your stock goes up.

Jordan Wilson [00:26:26]:
Then what happens? We're going to cut a couple hundred jobs. We're going to cut a couple thousand jobs, but don't worry. We're investing billions of dollars in AI skyrocketing. Right? Well, how does that work? How does that, how do those two things, justify themselves? Right? These, these two it's, it's a complete justice juxtaposition, right? You're saying, well, Hey, we're gonna cut hundreds or maybe thousands of jobs, but we're going to invest billions of dollars in AI. That doesn't make sense. Yeah, it does make sense. Right? Because today's full time jobs, Tomorrow's AI is going to be better at them than humans. Right? Let me repeat that.

Jordan Wilson [00:27:15]:
I didn't write that down. That's just off the cuff. I'm being honest. Right? So today's jobs today's full time jobs are going to be accomplished better by tomorrow's AI systems. And that's why we're seeing this, this, you know, AI job apocalypse conversation happening now. And because the technology is advancing faster, broader, and deeper than any previous technological change in history. Right. I've been saying this for a very long time.

Jordan Wilson [00:27:54]:
You know, people are trying to compare AI to the internet, which I think is dangerous, and, and ill informed. Right. But still most businesses had ten, fifteen, twenty years to very slowly adopt to the internet. Can't do that with AI. Right. If your company still is not using AI in any way, shape or form. Right, even the employees. Right? Because all employees, if if if you're working at home, all employees are using, you know, ChatGPT at home on their second computer, do all their work anyways, right, or just using it at on their work computer and hiding it from employers or employers don't care.

Jordan Wilson [00:28:30]:
Right. So I would say almost any company you're using AI. And if somehow you're the one in, 1,000 company, that's not, you're gonna pretty much for sure. Got a business. Right. That's that's reality, especially if you are a larger organization. Right? Maybe you're a small local business. So not I'm not trying to scare you there, but if you are a large enterprise company, which I know many people are are listening are part of that, your company's already been using AI for multiple years, whether you know it or not.

Jordan Wilson [00:29:01]:
Right, especially, traditional AI, right, if you're in certain sectors, but on the generative side too. Even if you don't have a policy, even if you think, oh, we're not using AI. Well, some employees definitely are. What's this mean? What's this mean? Well, let's talk about the world economic forums, 2025 outlook. So they projected that there would be a 70,000,000 new jobs created while there would be 92,000,000 displaced by 2030. So the World Economic Forum, at least, is saying that there will be a net positive gain of 78,000,000 jobs globally despite AI automation trends. And, 40% of surveyed employees plan workforce reductions, where AI can automate tasks. Right? This is, these studies are some of the problem, right? I don't believe them at all.

Jordan Wilson [00:30:07]:
I'm sorry. I know there's there's, you know, mine's much brighter than mine at these big, you know, world economic forums and the international monetary fund and people that come out with these, you know, lofty, you know, these lofty projections that there's gonna be, you know, tens of millions of a net gain. There's not going to be, well, at least not if you're talking about here in The U S because like I said, Wall Street hates employees. Wall Street loves AI, right? The more you fire employees or stop hiring, reducing overall headcount, and the more you invest in AI, the more your stock goes up. Right. And y'all I've done a complete show on this, right? The receipts are there. You know, I'll I'll make sure to mention this show in the newsletter. But the reason is is because tech CEOs are not sorry, not tech CEOs, just public CEOs, and and executives at public companies are making, like, ridiculous MBA salaries.

Jordan Wilson [00:31:10]:
They're making tens of millions of dollars, and they're saying, okay. Well, hey. If I cut, you know, 3% of our workforce and invest billions of dollars into AI, I'm gonna double my salary in three years. Right? So unfortunately, there's a lot of people in, entities, to blame here. And part of it is also corporate greed. Right. And part of it is also these, some of these studies that I think are completely unrealistic because they are detached from the reality of the American system that runs the world, which is capitalism, which is greed. Why does no one just want to call a spade a spade? I don't know.

Jordan Wilson [00:31:58]:
All right. And the reality is there's not going to be a net positive, gain of, you know, 78,000,000 jobs. At least not here in The U S maybe worldwide. I don't know. I don't follow world economies as closely as I've followed things here in The US. But I do know in five to ten years, there will be way fewer full time, employment opportunities, in five to ten years than there are today, and it won't even be close. And this what Dario Mahdi is is is talking about, we've already seen. The writing's on the wall.

Jordan Wilson [00:32:35]:
Right? We just saw Microsoft lay off 6,000 workers, specifically citing AI driven efficiency improvements. CrowdStrike, a couple of months ago eliminated 500 jobs due to AI reshaping every industry dynamics, what they said. And also recent data shows that fourteen percent of workers are already experiencing AI related job dis, displacement, and every surveyed CEO says they are working furiously on AI worker replacement strategies. It's not good. Right? CEOs are working on this. You know, Walmart too. I think Walmart cut, 1,500 corporate jobs in anticipation of AI, transformation. Meta, recently announced a 5% workforce reduction after predictions about AI coding.

Jordan Wilson [00:33:33]:
Yeah. It's This is what happens. Right. I'm trying to think of a nice way, but maybe I should just follow, Dario's lead here and just not sugarcoat it anymore. Right. Does AI have the potential to do a lot of good? Absolutely. Can it cure diseases? Yes. It's already doing that.

Jordan Wilson [00:34:01]:
Go look at the research, right? Large language models are finding cures for diseases. It's solving decades old math problems. Is there potential huge upsides that we haven't even considered that are more important than employment? Yes. Yes. And I'm very excited for those, but traditional full time employment. It's not going to be good, right? Yes. There's gonna be different ways, hopefully, that we're all, providing for ourselves and our families. Right? Like my thought is it's gonna be very common for the everyday business leader to have five side hustles.

Jordan Wilson [00:34:49]:
Right? To have multiple companies. That's what I think because I think the price of professional services are gonna they're gonna go down. Right? You're not gonna be paying a lawyer, you know, $500 an hour anymore. You're gonna be you you know, you're gonna be paying an AI powered, entity with humans behind it, you know, $20 an hour. Right? That's that's where I think we're headed. And the other thing is, well, the government. Right? Dario Mahdi calling on the government to do something. Right? Which is funny.

Jordan Wilson [00:35:24]:
It's like, you know, the person breaking the law saying, you know what? The cops need to do something about it. Right? Obviously, Anthropic is not breaking the law here. Right. But what does that say when the the the tech leaders, the AI labs that are the ones creating the technology that's leading to job disruption being like, you know what? The government should do something about it. The government needs to step in. Well, I agree with them there too. Right? Right now, the Trump administration has removed Biden era AI safety regulations through executive orders. Congress has been described as woefully uninformed about AI realities.

Jordan Wilson [00:36:05]:
Yeah. That's saying it nicely. There's many people in Congress that don't know even how the Internet works. There's plenty of great, videos online, that show that. And also right now, the federal government fears, when they're talking about AI job displacement, they fear spooking workers or appearing to lose the AI race to China. Right? Because this is AI. We all know it's the new gold. It's the new oil it's it is whoever has the firmest grasp on the most powerful AI.

Jordan Wilson [00:36:41]:
First, you become this world's superpower for the next decade, right? Whether you say that's AGI or ASI or, you know, Hey, we just collectively have the world's most powerful AI, right? Having that puts you in the driver's seat for geopolitical power, to be the main economic driver in the entire world. So, yeah, you can't really slow things down. So what's the government supposed to do? Right. I don't know. You can talk about universal basic income. You can talk about putting, protections on certain jobs. You could punish these, I don't know, punish corporations that are laying, you know, doing these massive, massive layoffs due to AI, right? Yet their, executives are making tens of millions of dollars. I don't know.

Jordan Wilson [00:37:40]:
That's why I just have random rants on a podcast and I'm not the one making policy decisions. But I don't think the current administration's kind of no questions asked AI approach is going to be helping things in the long run. I also don't think the previous Biden era, AI safety regulations were necessarily the right approach either. So probably something in the middle. Right? I I believe previously, we were too restrictive. Now we're probably a little too open. But right now, you know, there's been some policy ideas floated, having something like a token tax of maybe 3% on AI company revenue, for government redistribution, but Americans want responsible AI, But I don't think we're going to get that. Who's acting responsibly right now.

Jordan Wilson [00:38:42]:
Right? Like, like, just look at everything that's happening with, you know, whether you're looking at inflation, the economy, current political discourse, and, and then all now these uneasiness with the rate of, of tech innovation and what's happening, in the business landscape, everyone's scared. Who's who's going to be responsible. I don't think anyone will be because right now there's not even a comprehensive policy framework that exists for what happens when. AI takes 50% of, you know, entry level white collar jobs, what happens? What happens to those people who were earning good livings and out of that came taxes, right? Which helped, local state and federal government. Okay. What happens then? What happens when those people don't have money to pour back into their local economies? Right? It doesn't, it doesn't add up. It doesn't add up the future that we are now sprinting toward fundamentally and systematically doesn't work, but it but we're going to be there. Right? So, we as a society, whether that's government policy, or the, the big AI companies, that are paving the road before the cars are ready to travel, someone has the responsibility to make sure that we, as a society, can move forward in an era, in an age where we have AGI, where we have humanoid robots, with superhuman capabilities.

Jordan Wilson [00:40:42]:
How does the economy work? How does society work? I don't know. But what I do know is it's going to happen. Right? And and this is all anthropics data, but they said that their internal tracking shows 60% augmentation versus 40% automation usage currently. So even about how they're using their own internal, systems, and they said that automation percentage steadily is growing while augmentation usage, levels remain relatively stable. Right? And right now, there's hundreds of technology companies racing to build agentic AI replacement systems. Right. That's what agentic AI is. Yeah, it's fun.

Jordan Wilson [00:41:29]:
And, you know, we all want to know more about agentic AI, but do you know what that is? Do you understand what agentic AI is? It's job replacing AI, right? This goes back to, you know, earlier I was, I was, really, railing on this, this concept of the, you know, AI won't take your job. Someone using AI will and it's dumb because it doesn't make sense. All right. But what happens when that one person is using agentic AI and they are an agent orchestrator, right? Because then by tomorrow's systems, they'll be able to do five jobs, 10 jobs, 20 jobs, right? And the CEOs and the C suite and the executives and the boards. They're not going to tell that one person, Hey, go a little slower. Hey, don't make us that much money. Right. With these agentic AI systems.

Jordan Wilson [00:42:34]:
Right? Hey, how about you create some new roles for human? No agentic AI is job replacing AI. Right? That is when a large language model has agency. It has tool use. It can go out and string a multiple tasks together using your company's data. It can go build apps. It can go do research. It can go sell things, right? We're already seeing that, but this is where business is transitioning from traditional software to AI agents, accelerating faster than expect. Right.

Jordan Wilson [00:43:24]:
And when there's hundreds of companies racing to do this, that's what happens. And like I said, as we wrap up this show, I think, unfortunately, the media is getting played here. Right? It happens a lot, but this whole AI job apocalypse that now everyone is talking about, you know, in anthropic CEO, Daria Modi coming in and saying, you know, Hey, I'm sounding the alarm. The media is largely to blame for this. Right? That a big CEO can just come on and and say the same, you know, talking points on, multiple different interviews. And, you know, then, we're just kind of just promoting a certain product because it just happened five days ago. So everyone's talking about it. But I think that we need to lean more on academics.

Jordan Wilson [00:44:21]:
We need to lean more on economists. We need to lean more on, those people investing in and building local communities. Right. That's where I, that's what I care about. You know, where all of the effort right now is going into building, you know, more capable AI systems. Right. So on the innovation side, we want more agents. We want more capable AI systems.

Jordan Wilson [00:44:57]:
On the business side, we want to reduce humans and increase profit. I care about the human side, the local side. What's happening there? That's what I think we have to care about. Because what happens if Dario Modi is dead right? What happens if he's dead right? In 50% of entry level white collar jobs are gone in one to five years. I think it's something we need to talk about. And we also have to separate AI hype from these legitimate job concerns. Right? And that's the problem. That's also, you know, the the the the sounding of the alarms might just sound like, oh, we've heard this music before.

Jordan Wilson [00:45:54]:
Right? Have we? Sure. But we need to understand we're past the AI hype. Right? You can't put this on a curve. You can't say this is temporary. Agentic AI, large language models, AI disruption in the workplace. It's not going anywhere. It's only going to increase steadily month over month, year over year. And it's already happening, right? We're seeing this job displacement already happening.

Jordan Wilson [00:46:34]:
So I think a couple of things, number one, the media needs to do a better job. Period. Alright. Number two, we need someone in government regulation policy. Right? I I I think this is gonna be a big part of the twenty twenty eight election, the the the presidential election here in The US. It's gonna be what are you doing about AI job displacement? Because by that point, it's gonna be pretty bad. It's gonna be pretty bad. But I also think we need business leaders, people like you listening right now.

Jordan Wilson [00:47:11]:
Would you be happy with 50% of jobs gone? Right. There's kind of this concept. I like to call it quiet firing. Right? Companies just aren't hiring anymore. Right. So maybe they are normally hiring a hundred new people every year. Now they're only hiring 20 and we have this big, tsunami of, you know, baby boomers retiring, and they're just not replacing them. So it's almost like a quiet, quiet firing.

Jordan Wilson [00:47:36]:
Right? We've heard of quiet quitting what's happening now is quiet firing. Headcount is just being reduced steadily across all industries. And I think we're going to see, over 2026, and we're gonna see some unemployment numbers that we're starting to feel uncomfortable with. You know, here's a country here in The US. So business leaders, what happens? Do you want 50% of jobs gone? I hope not. Right. But you also need to think, what are the jobs of the future going to look like? And you need to start thinking of those now, investing in them now, because that's where new lines of revenue come. This changes AI doesn't just change the role of the employee.

Jordan Wilson [00:48:25]:
It changes the role of the business. It changes how we as companies, we as enterprises, it changes how we operate and how we ultimately make money and our purpose. Whether you're a small business or a global juggernaut, AI also changes your company's purpose because AI is changing humans. It's going to, like I said, unfortunately, I think we're going to see a job loss, pretty, pretty big one here, in the coming years. How does that change what your company does? How does that change how you make revenue? How does that change how you serve, your community, your customers, your clients? You need to start thinking about that now. So I don't have all the answers, but we're not always be talking about them. So I hope this one was helpful. I know this was half hot take half like, yo, we got to hit pause and reflect on this as a society, right? Especially here in The U S I know we got people listening from all over the world, but especially here in The U S where it is the wild freaking west when it comes to AI.

Jordan Wilson [00:49:30]:
And unfortunately, companies are rewarded when they cut jobs. So yes, this is equal part hot take on, this, you know, AI job apocalypse, but equal part, like, yo, business leaders, we need to figure this out because whether it's, you know, 50% of, entry level white collar jobs in one to five years, which I don't think it's going to be, but it's gotta be something. All right. So we have to be the responsible ones that start laying tomorrow's foundation today. All right. I hope this was helpful. If so, please go to youreverydayai.com, sign up for the free daily newsletter, and I'll see you back tomorrow and everyday for more everyday AI. Thanks, y'all.